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:	post by Cecchini at 2006-05-12 02:26:38

anonymous said:

if he had never died...no one would care about him....
damageplan would have faded away and the only way they would make a comeback would be to re-form pantera.
and still....no one would think dime was a "genius" unless he was dead.
i'm not downing his playing ability...it's far greater than mine....but....
why does everyone care about someone they didn't even know?
sure, what happened to him was tragic...but I don't give a fuck cause I didn't know him.
pantera has a big fan base...but they are NOTHING special within the realm of metal.
there's far better and more influential bands out there.
this is just as ridiculious as people crying over kurt cobain, 2 pac, etc, etc.

people were all about Dime/Pantera when he was alive, so I disagree with your first statement. I will say that all these lame-o bands that do Pantera tributes during their shows and stop the song when it gets up to the solo part *cough throwdown cough* don't give a shit about dime. I mean, in the years before his death he was still winning all these awards in fan voted mags across the world.

people care about someone they don't know because they looked up to him or felt some sorta inspiration from music he made. you probably have people you don't know in your life that if they died tomorrow would be a downer on your day.

how you judge influence is all a matter of opinion. Pantera broke mainstream and thus had a wider and broader range of people to influence. So while there are better bands with better players out there, some 13 year old kid who hasn't figured how to get access to these bands had a better chance of hearing a Pantera song and being influenced by that, and eventually he will come across these 'better' bands. As much as I can't stand any era of Metallica new or old, I won't deny that they were one of the bands that got me into metal when I was younger because it was so easy to get access to it, and through that I found tons of bands I consider better and bands that have influenced me truly.

As far as how special they are in metal, that's all opinion to. Some might see them as really great song writers and others might not, thats up to the listener because song writing is all personal opinion.

As far as comparing his death to 2pac/Cobain... Well, Cobain took the cowards way out and shot himself when he was supposed to be raising a child, he was a pussy and thats all there is to it. As much as people here hate rap and what not, 2pac was murdered and his death should be mourned like Dimes. I know alot of people here say "oh he was just another rapper who rapped about this this and that", but keep in mind rappers have a different background and culture and is the message in rap songs really so much worse than what is said in black/death metal songs? I'm getting side tracked, but I will say that I can't recall any rappers killing and eating each other, and how much different was the 2pac/Biggie situation from what the Dime/Phil situation was becoming?

Anyway.

So regardless of what your personal opinion is on someone like Dime, or 2pac I guess, you can't deny that because of their mainstream success they were able to influence a large amount of people that they normally wouldn't have had access to in the underground scene. And because they were killed in circumstances beyond their control and because they placed so much inspiration in people, you have to expect that people are going to mourn them and remember them like they knew them even if they never did.

fin.

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