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:	post by Uh at 2011-12-07 02:30:40

Lysander said

Well, let's put it this way.

Weedeater used to play to no one at O'Briens, and tour in a small van selling homemade beef jerky at their merch booth. They took turns driving while none of them owned a valid driver's license, drinking cough syrup, puking onstage, and swallowing bags of cocaine for fun. Not many people cared, as this just was not particularly cool except to a select breed of self-described scumbag.

Now Weedeater plays big places, and the same fifty or so scumbags are there. Just add a couple hundred more kids with trucker hats, v-necks, tight pants, and fixies, plus bigger vans, bigger venues, and a tour manager to keep them in line. That's the "sludge" scene in a nutshell.

So-called "hipster" culture has always gravitated towards the "fashion" and ideals of the working class that their upper-middle class upbringings lacked.

Considering either Electric Wizard or Isis a sludge band is a stretch, both have the elements, yet, that just ain't it.

Both have/had pretty significant "hipster" followings. The E. Wiz occult thing is pretty hip right now in "doom/stoner" circles, and Isis's post-metal thing was pretty hip around the time that Oceanic was released, Pelican came out, Mogwai go more stoned, and Neurosis got more motherfucking mellow.

That ain't the marrow of the matter. See Eyehategod, Grief, Buzzo*ven, Sourvein, Weedeater, Noothgrush, and Cavity for real sludge. For me, Cavity is the only one that actually ever mattered musically, but hey, my taste in music blows. Why else would I hang out here?

Proceed by inference. Go see how much the attendance at shows for these bands (at least the ones still active) has jumped, and take a look at who is at the shows.

Better yet, look who is supporting. Weedeater toured with with ASG. Nuff said.

Eyehategod is always supported by the trendiest bands that all the cool kids follow, even the local ones. Personally, doesn't matter to me, good one them, they slugged it out for years and years while no one gave two shits. Form your own damn opinions, that's all they're ever good for.

Okay, I'll make a lame serious reply now. =/

Basically after listening to sludge for whatever many years, this has been my observations and opinions on the genre and the different types of sludge. I'm sure no one will agree with these 100% as these are just my humble and probably stupid opinions.

Bands like Grief, Cavity and Floor, slowing down the grind/crust/punk/hardcore genre, such as going from Disrupt to Grief, started the more "traditional" or "core" sludge sound. You can also hear this transition from hardcore to sludge clearly in bands like His Hero is Gone, and Cable. This eventually led to mostly to what some would call the "core" of sludge like Mugwart, Black Cobra, Coffins, etc.

Drone doom, the most boring genre, I'd guess mainly came from Earth taking his depressing as fuck doom metal and adding drone which has been around forever. This concept was taken a bit further by bands like Boris, Thrones and most famously Sunn O))).

Sludge mixing this drone element, or bands just exploring further how heavy and slow they could get, produced bands like Corrupted, Buried at Sea, Noothgrush, and later bands like Ocean, The Body, Otesanek, Graves at Sea, Atavist. This genre started getting bigger and more accessible with bands like Khanate and Nadja.

Bands like Eyehategod and Acid Bath creating the more southern stonerish sludge scene taking obvious southern influence and influence from bands like Corosion of Confirmity. This probably influenced the overall sound of sludge bands like Weedeater, Zoroaster, Fistula, Sourvein, etc.

Stoner/sludge coming from the pretty well established stoner rock scene, and obviously heavy Sabbath influence, combining with sludge to create bands like Electric Wizard. Since there are about a billion stoner rock bands, many many bands carried the torch for crossing over between stoner rock and doom like Orange Goblin, Goatsnake, Witchcraft, Beaver, Grand Magus, etc. This became accessible and very popular by High on Fire and later The Sword. Eventually some bands adopted this with a heavier more doom influenced sound with bands like Sleep, YOB, etc.

The atmospheric sludge (post-metal) sound basically came from Broadrick and Green in Godflesh, where they wanted to add a thicker more metal sound to a heavily industrial influenced band, which you can kind of hear in Broadrick's teenage project, Final. This sound was then take further by Neurosis who instead of using an industrial influence, mixed it with their post hardcore sound. This is the sludge genre that got largely popularized within college crowd, which I guess we could call hipsters, with outbreak of Isis' Oceanic album. This album basically marked start of the huge popularization of sludge, leading to the popularization of bands like Pelican and then re-sparked by Jesu. However these 'hipster' sludge bands led to some pretty good sludge bands like Minsk, Cult of Luna, Conifer, 5ive, Rwake (taking the Eyehategod influence), Callisto, Mouth of the Architect, Dirge, Men In Search of The Perfect Weapon, Rosetta, Lento. This also began being heavily influenced by post-rock such as Mogwai, where bands like North were literally post-rock bands, but after adding a vocalist, instantly became a sludge band. Because of this genre basically exploding at this time after Oceanic titled, this is more of what the "hipster" connotation comes in for when someone says "sludge".

A lot of these new sludge fans go into the more accessible bands from the other sludge types like Khanate, Sunn O))), High On Fire, and then eventually got into the bigger bands in the genre like Electric Wizard, Weedeater, Corrupted, etc. Not sure if this is a bad thing other than more people being at the shows, but it's also kind of sad being the only person who paid to get in at sludge shows for touring bands.

...As far as a segway from sludge to funeral doom, drone influenced doom led to heavier industrial influenced bands such as Pavementsaw, P.H.O.B.O.S, and Uncertainty Principle (who did a split with the funeral band, Torture Wheel), and then continuing on the progression, you can get to bands like Hjarnidaudi. Also Mikko from Fleshpress is in Stabat Mater, WHO WERE PROBABLY HEAVILY FUCKING INFLUENCED FROM SKEPTICISM AND dISEMBOWELMENT.

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