I talked to Shred and he said I can get more shows in the future at O'Brien's Pub, though I will still attempt to book at more and more venues all over eastern Massachusetts.. I have some other ideas that I have been sharing with people I've talked to since I heard about the Block closing, and though that is still by far my favorite club ever, I promised that I will continue to block metalcore at every turn.
So to sum this all up:

BOOYA!

cool

caveat: "metalcore" being defined arbitrarily. bands that joe likes = not metalcore. bands that joe doesn't like = metalcore.
since Kevorkians Angels are influenced by 80's metal-core

"good news for some of you" ???

why isn't good news for everyone
stop being immature

There was no metalcore in the 80's. There was crossover. DRI, SOD, and the Accused have nothing to do with gay shit like the Dillenger Escape Plan and Converge.

dillinger escape plan is not metalcore.

can someone please define metalcore?

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Metalcore

Spawned sometime during the 90's, metalcore is as the name divulges a more metallic offshoot of classic hardcore punk, in particular the kind made popular during the 80's by bands such as Minor Threat, the Bad Brains and so on.

when i think of real hardcore, i think of sick of it all and bands like that. more punk than metal.

dirteecrayon said:

Because some bands don't like me and some bands i dont like.

be the bigger person!
writing threads like that just makes people hate you even more

have you tried figuring out why some bands don't like you?

Josh is correct, cross-over stuff is not the same as the metalcore genre. If I am wrong about what I consider metalcore, then most people I know are just as wrong as me, and all of it sucks.

the bands who don't like joe are probably the metalcore bands who suck up to everyone on the waaf boards.

and by metalcore, i don't mean crossover, i mean the stuff that is popular now and the nu metal bands who are crossing over to it.

Josh_Martin said:

the accused are genrified as metal-core.

banning bands from playing in boston?!?!?

doing shit like that will just make more people hate you and start boycotting your shows

Cross over nu-metal/metalcore is the worst shit out there.

And I do think I know why bands hate me, because I don't kiss up to everyone that I don't like and I speak my mind regardless of who might hear it (or read it). I am not going to cater to bands I want nothing to do with, so let them hate me.

Excellent. That's good news, Joe.

can you feel the love...?

I need to change all the hardcore vs metal things to
hardcore&metal vs. metalcore.

cross over nu-metal/metalcore?????

the_reverend said:

(hardcore vs hardcore) vs metal vs metalcore vs emo vs indie rock vs punk = the boston music scene

RustedAngel said:

Fine, faggotcore then.

They're not heavy enough to be metal, they're not fast enough to be grind, they're sure as fuck not hardcore. They look like a bunch of emo nerds.

= everything joe doesn't like

DEP = mathcore, no?

i always thought they were math core cuz of all those jazz times and stuff

BOOYA!

dirteecrayon said:

The number of bands I like definately outweights the number of bands I do not like. Where does everyone get these ideas from that I hate everything?

dirteecrayon said:

I call bullshit on that definition. No metalcore band sounds anything at all like Minor Threat or Bad Brains (Bad Brains when they were good anyways, I don't really like anything after Rock for Light. If you want to go around saying you're very influenced by Quickness I'll point you in the general direction of the Ramrod)

the_reverend said:

Says who?

Josh_Martin said:

says:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detai...0-0104014?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

I also think the minor threat/bad brains metalcore thing is bullshit.
minor threat was straightedge or postpunk.
bad brains is also catagorized as "postpunk" with hardcore, raggae, and ska influences... but I just call them f'n good

Jerry's Kids set last night forces every metalcore band in the world to stop using the "core" suffix. Holy shit, awesome.

i also dont agree with the deinitions on that site

the other definitions are kind of wanky too

the_reverend said:

Did you read the reviews on that page? Calling the Accused metalcore isn't the only mistake in that book.

Josh_Martin said:

if you're into grind/fast/heavy shit, how could you not like dillinger's 'calculating infinity'? all those elements are clearly in there.

If you were bashing shit like Atreyu, ect, then I might agree with you.

interesting, I didn't know wearing a black shirt and black pants was emo? I guess all metal kids are emo as well... or is he emo because the clothes he wears actually fit him and are not 4x too big?

3XXXL Iced Earth Shirt = Tr00 Metal.

It's the haircut. And they wear those gas station attendant jackets even though they don't work at a gas station. That bugs the shit out of me.

I like grind that sounds like Scum. DEP sound like a bunch of Berklee fags who decided to play grind.

so... you are opposed mostly to fashion and not to music.

though your DEP "review" is pretty acurate.. if you also say "and on the new record try to sound like mr. bungle meets NIN"

DES is metalcore, the same old boring shit played in annoying time sequences.

EMO:

I am opposed to people ironically dressing like they work at a gas station.

I haven't heard the new DEP and I hope I never have to.

so what, I don't blame them for not wanting long hair, it's a pain in the fuckin ass. Sometimes I wonder why I still have it. hahaha. Nah, I just don't like how I look with short hair.

you say someones a fag cause they were a 'gas station' jacket? wtf? Maybe they don't want to sound like scum grind... I bet the bands that play 'scum' grind couldn't keep up with DEP if they tried. Either way, they aren't fags just because they don't wear gigantic metal shirts and have long hair.

They are metalcore.

DEP doesn't have any generic breakdowns, so how can they be classified as metalcore? I don't hear any melodic in flames riffs either.

RustedAngel said:

Why would anyone want to keep up with music that sounds gay?

You're right about why they're not fags. However you seem to be completely missing the point about why they are fags.

We could argue about genre classifying them all day, but they suck and I cannot waste my time.

Just look at Joe's picture. If that doesn't scream "plug my ass with an emo cork before all the faggotry leaks out of me" I don't know what does.

I'm looking for a fight.

Espcecially the guy on the right. Aren't they from New Jersey? I wonder how many times he's been gay bashed.

Joe/NotCommon said:

Unfortunately, I have tons of time to waste. Calling bands gay at work is more fun than actually working.

Everyone is gay, The network are fags cause they don't dress metal I g uess, My bassist wears white shirts and Ska Doc Martens... he's a fag too. hahahahaha I guess I'm a fag too cause I wear jeans sometimes and sneakers.

poop rules!

They really do sound like every other band they look like, but the only difference is they play in really annoying time sequences, which makes them even more boring and/or horrible. I don't care how talented it makes them, some people always leave fun and originality out of the talent equation.

Sometimes I wear boxer shorts, I guess that's gay? Am I allowed to wear sunglasses? I guess wearing a coat in the winter time is right out too? shit I'm going to freeze.

yeah Im a fag too cause im banned from Boston, supposedly.

You are missing the point that all the bands who dress that way all are shitty. All of them. So making fun of how they ALL dress is a true statement about the music too.

DEP could look like Slayer circa 1986 and their music would still be gay as fuck.

Slayer could dress in drag and buttfuck each other all day long but if they still put out Reign in Blood they'd never be gay.

RustedAngel said:

Only at night. Corey Hart is a bad motherfucker.

Is taking a shower gay too? What about brushing my teeth? am I not metal because I go to the dentist? Am I allowed to take advil for headaches? Can I use Quilted paper towels, or is that not metal either?

RustedAngel said:

You can do all of those things. Just as long as your band doesn't sound like a bunch of faggots like DEP.

Who in metal has bad hygeine? I certainly do not. Those guys look as if they have not washed their hair in years, thats bad hygeine.
You aren't making any sense with your replies Thomas.

Since Mr. Angel doesn't seem to get it. I'll spell it out.

If your music is gay, then anything you do is gay too.
If your music rocks, then you get a whole lot of leeway.

Josh summed it perfectly.

man.. I just read a lot and I've got no clue what this thread is about anymore.

hey joe, only my mommy calls me thomas, and some girlfriends;)

josh, i dare you to fight the singer of DEP, call him a faggot while you're at it, i bet you would lose a fight to a gay man. hahaha.

and joe, there are plenty of dudes in metal that have bad hygeine...like not knowing what a tooth brush is.

Josh_Martin said:

well then, that explains rob halford.

just because someone loses a fight doesnt mean that person who beat them up isnt a fag.

RustedAngel said:

I think I saw a jenny jones like that.
a couple guys had a real bloody fight with some "fags" at a bar and in the fight, they got AIDs.

yea Priest used lots of leeway on their 80d's albums.,,

If the singer of Dillinger Escape Plan would actually hit someone for not liking his band then thats further proof he is a fag.

The best way to get out of a fight is stare the guy down and say "Ooooh, I'm gonna fuck you so good." Works everytime.

RustedAngel said:

ha, that reminds me of the old guitarist in my band. he would always say shit like "i didn't take a shower all week because not taking a shower is metal" and "i decided not to shave this week because it looks more metal."

RustedAngel said:


Why would I want to fight the singer of DEP? If I had to fight every band I think is gay all I would ever do is fight 24/7. Besides, the only reason I'm ragging on them so much is because you obviously really really like them. This is the most fun I've had at work in months. (although that doesn't mean I was "just kidding" about anything)

Also I don't forsee a situation where I would be in the same room as him. He probably thinks my band is as bad as I think his is. I make fag repelling music.

hahaha, no, i'm not a huge fan of DEP... but I can respect what they've done. It's much amusing to rag on bands like disturbed, nickelback, and all the little clone local bands than it is to rag on shit that's actually pretty heavy and technical.

so joe, does this mean that the nov 20th show that was at the block, is gonna be at obriens now?

Not necesarilly. I am working on moving that. I might have to drop a band from the bill, depending on the club, since we had 5 bands. Cryptic Warning got added last, so if it comes to it, I guess I will drop them.

ohh ok..lemme know wheneva. thx pal.

Dont drop cryptic! Those guys rule!

Well CW is playing tonight on my show, the other bands on Nov 20th are Gut, Raising Kubrick and Syzslak who were the first on the bill, then Hand Choke Neck got added, who I havent booked before.

Anyways, wasnt it your band who got CW and Abhorred kicked off some show at the Safari Lounge?

RustedAngel said:

I don't find DEP to be heavy at all and you say "technical" like its a good thing. To me technical means "I can't write a good riff so I'll just play something really gay and complicated that will impress other fags just like me"

hahah okay buddy <3 you're right about everything.

I know.

I wish this board had sigs. This would be mine:

"There are two kinds of people who don't like AC/DC, people who think music should be technical and complicated, and fags....Actually there's only one kind of person who doesn't like AC/DC"
some guy

"sorry that I enjoy listening to music that challenges my ear." - some fag

the_reverend said:

haha I don't either.

RichHorror said:

I am happy to have had the privilege to hear this story in its entirety. haha oh man.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

You did? The only person I remember telling it to is Joe. I must've been hammered. Again.

RustedAngel said:

I've never understood how riffs that have annoying time changes and too many notes in them are "challenging". When I hear them, I can understand what's going on no problem. I just don't like it. That shit doesn't make me want a calculator like some people joke you need to listen to DEP, it just makes me want a condom so I don't get AIDS from it. It just doesn't rock. It doesn't make me want to kill people like Motorhead or Carnivore do.
You really shouldn't care if other people think something you like is gay though. I'm just some guy on a message board. I love Chicago. I don't give a fuck how many people think that's gay. (early Chicago anyways, not that You're the Inspiration bullshit)
Thanks for making this day go by that much faster though.

Also, "Scum" is not a type of grindcore, its a Napalm Death album. Your scumgrind post about that left me unsure if you knew that.

Josh_Martin said:


it's all YOUR opinion dood, no one gives a fuck what you think, who are you kidding? So you might as well just open up a file in notepad, and type how much you think people who write technical music are fags while you listen to back in black.

why do you visit this board if all you're interested in is AC/DC, chicago, and motorhead? great bands, but I think you should go to a board that is dedicated to shit like that and go nuts.

I just think it's awesome Joe talked endless shit about Shred now he's sucking his cock.

Josh_Martin said:


my thoughts exactly

i enjoy some cake...it's good

RustedAngel said:

Uh, isn't that what metal message boards are for? Discussing opinions on metal? No one gives a fuck what you, me, or anyone else thinks. Its
ALL opinions. I thought that went without saying. I guess not. I gave my opinion on a gay band, you gave your opinion on a gay band.

I'd bet though, if we had a contest on this board of old school grind vs gay DEP "grind" that my side would win. I don't why that matters but you seem to think it does.

Weren't you the guy who thought Macabre wasn't a fit replacement for Gayder? I think you were in the minority on that one. Maybe you should go to a different board where people care more about technicality than just kicking ass.

BTW I think Macabre are proof that you can be really good at your instrument and still not sound like a band full of gaylords.

Josh_Martin said:
"I gave my opinion on a gay band, you gave your opinion on a gay band", now its handinjury's turn......

I like DEP, so if they are "gay" cause they make "gay" music, that i like ("gay") maybe i am gay, a couple other of my favorite bands are, suffoctaion, deeds of flesh, origin,cannibal,gorgasm etc. So if someone dont like those bands, like say you think deeds is "gay"(HA) , but i like deeds so therfore i am gay. This sums just about everything in life, no wonder Don Decker refers to many things as being "gay"
Getting back to this comment ....>"To me technical means "I can't write a good riff so I'll just play something really gay and complicated that will impress other fags just like me"
I allways thought of technical (in my playing that is) as things that are a challenge to play or pulloff or involve heavy concentration. For example in Anoxia, i have riffs that are like a fucking cunt to play(physically) then there are riffs that are no problem to play. What makes a technical riff gay? Did i write this riff solely on being Tech cause ...>"I can't write a good riff so I'll just play something really gay and complicated that will impress other fags just like me". yeeeaaaahhhh im gay!!!!!
For example what i find TECH to play may be pretty standard to rustedangel. So, who would that make "gayer" ??? If hes more "techinally gay" than me , that makes him supreme gay ! Or the bottom line is we are both gay.
I had a lot of laughs of this thread, i think ill pack another one and re-read. Cheers

i would like to state that i just almost pissed myself laughing so hard reading this thread... and for the record, be it right or wrong, i clasify bands like, atreyu, bleeding through, thursday, between the buried and me, autumn to ashes, and gay ass shit like that as metalcore... but even using the word "core" makes me feel gay... i just think mosh sucks, and thats as bad as metalcore and nu-metal... i also personally hate being pre-disposed by anyone and shoved in a specific sub-genre, if ya like it, cool, if not, then dont listen, i dont give a fuck if someone else thinks i should or not, fuck em all

I thought all of those bands from the 80s were called crossover. Either that or they were just called hardcore or thrash. But metalcore?

Music is totally gay, def poetry slams are straight.

Josh_Martin said:

I think the same way.

This was the best thread ever. Me and Angel should have a CNN Crossfire type show about grindcore and death metal.

amazing... simply amazing

thats the gayest stupidest fucking waste of time, I have ever seen. I am actually pissed off at that.

i want a big lego girl

the_reverend said:

this is Bradness
what the hell are you talking about?

this thread is more than mildly retarded.
good music is good music.
bad music is bad music.

and stuff...

ok enough kidding around, back to business. Joe, I owe you a handshake tomorrow.

did you guys kiss and make up?