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returntothepit >> discuss >> Trey Azagthoth wants to know if the metal community is closed-minded by zyklon on Feb 5,2009 10:54am
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toggletoggle post by zyklon at Feb 5,2009 10:54am
Trey Azagthoth (born George Emmanuel III) has posted the following message on his MySpace page:

"Is the metal community closed-minded???? Well, is it????

"My purpose with this blog is that I have a desire to create some live performance concerts sometime in the future that include a set of MORBID ANGEL along with sets of the most extreme representitives of industrial, hardcore, terrorcore, jungle drum and bass etc DJs and groups. EXTREME MUSIC FOR EXTREME PEOPLE!!!! Right???

"Well, so it seems there are certain promoters and so-called 'authorities of the scene' who have some idea that such a gig won't work. Saying that metal people are narrow-minded and hate the various forms of hardcore DJ music for one reason or another. Is this true???

"People who know me know I am already a freaky freak artist and so then such an idea for crossing over such types of music is amazing. Exciting!!! As long as it's freakin' HARD-HITTING and SICK!!!!!!

"So... Why not, I ask.

"What is metal anyways???

"For me, 'metal' is for those who are bored with the constrictions and 'safe practices' of the mainsteam mentality, just like with any other socalled 'underground' scene or movement. Metal people wanna get mowed down by vicously sick melodies slamming over an arrangement of beats that twist the body and pull it in all directions. Freak them up. Metal, for me, is also about self-discovery. Not being sheep-like and playing 'follow the leader' but rather its about being free to express one's own ideas without the fear of ridicule. If there isn't any guts involved to challenge whatever is the current accepted patterns, then there isn't much in possibility for any new things to arise.

"What are metal lyrics even about if not about either breaking free from the dominion of some slavery-oppression, or the act of rejoicing in the pleasure of what people have passions about? Of course, there are also lyrics about fantasy and mindfuck as well too. !!!=RAWR=!!! ;)

"For me, it most certainly ISN'T about tribal-group mentality nor mainstream behavioral thinking. It's not about playing it safe either.

"What is the mentality of the mainstream??? Seems to me it's quite associated with sheepish behavoirs, placing value on 'fitting in and the approval of others' instead of the freedoms of self expression.

"What defines the term 'underground???' Isnt it when people place what they believe inside of themselves over what is supposedly supported in their exterior mainstream environment???

"What is the difference in fabricating a product and creating art????

"Where does 'trendy-ness' surface and what is it to be trendy?? Isn't it when people cannot find the source of certainties, direction and/or selfworth within themselves, especially as in those times when they are alone and not distracted, so therefore they need to base their certainties on how things reflect off of their external environment, including their peers?? Adjusting themselves to be considered favorable and to attract the approval of others outside of themselves???

"For some people in the world, the only thing 'real' is that which can be measured by the five mundane senses. For them, the inner workings are as some mysterious make believe which they sometimes play around with until any serious situation arises and then such things are placed back in the realm of 'make believe,' they, of course, fall back to earth and work from whichever foundation they find 'certainty' in, no??? Isn't this a formula based on the dependence of others, and if so, what does this have to do with the freedoms of such a thing as independence??? Where is the 'strength' in such a behavoir??? Is it just that maybe it's considered 'cool' and that's cool enough???

"OK, so the question is, do metal people only enjoy gigs with a metal-only billing??? Or do metal people also enjoy some crossover, as long as it's freakin' over-the-top EXTREME???? Does anyone even care??? Please chime in. I wanna hear from you."



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Feb 5,2009 10:55am
wtf is "terrorcore"?



toggletoggle post by zyklon at Feb 5,2009 10:55am
That's a new one for me too



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 11:01am
Dear Trey,

You finally do the smart thing and bring David Vincent back into the fold and now you are gonna fuck it up by making me watch a guy with a turn table. I'll be in the parking lot dick.
Signed, Kevord

P.S. Heretic sucked.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Feb 5,2009 11:02am
i'm still wondering what the hell terrorcore is lol. this is going to bother me all day.



toggletoggle post by orgymaggotfeast  at Feb 5,2009 11:06am
shut up and play the guitar Trey



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Feb 5,2009 11:06am
well, I think he's got his answer already.



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Feb 5,2009 11:07am
terrorcore is hardcore from Afghanistan and Pakistan. I thought everyone knew that..



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Feb 5,2009 11:08am
THE INTERNET IS DIFFICULT TO NAVIGATE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terrorcore



toggletoggle post by arilliusbm  at Feb 5,2009 11:09am
trey wrote that wiki himself.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Feb 5,2009 11:10am
so its like techno+hardcore mixed together. all electronic. at least thats i get from this article.



toggletoggle post by orgymaggotfeast  at Feb 5,2009 11:12am
arilliusbm said[orig][quote]
terrorcore is hardcore from Afghanistan and Pakistan. I thought everyone knew that..


hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 11:13am
i'd be into that, but i guess no one else is.
i love psytrance and industrial. but terrorcore, speedcore..meh
i'd rather listen to morbid angel anyway.



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Feb 5,2009 11:20am
i'd be into it.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 11:22am
either way i think he's going to go forward with it and i'd fucking love to go.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Feb 5,2009 11:22am
the only band i like that seems to be related this is Red Harvest.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 5,2009 11:28am
"Where does Trey get his question marks??? Are they wholesale over the internet??? Is he being sponsored by questionmark.com??? Are metalheads open-minded enough to accept Trey's radical re-definition of punctuation???"



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 11:28am
reimroc said[orig][quote]
so its like techno+hardcore mixed together. all electronic. at least thats i get from this article.


i don't think the 'hardcore' you're thinking of is right. in this case it's blazing fast electronic dance music. from that you have 'happy hardcore'...



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 11:30am
It sounds like it's all terrible video game music. With the beeping and the bopping.



toggletoggle post by MoDecrepitvde at Feb 5,2009 11:31am
I'd be into a Morbid Angel / Autechre tour.



toggletoggle post by orgymaggotfeast  at Feb 5,2009 11:34am
DestroyYouAlot said[orig][quote]
"Where does Trey get his question marks??? Are they wholesale over the internet??? Is he being sponsored by questionmark.com??? Are metalheads open-minded enough to accept Trey's radical re-definition of punctuation???"


Seriously!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
(brought to you by exclaimationpoint.com)



toggletoggle post by Ryan_M at Feb 5,2009 11:37am
Kevord said[orig][quote]
Dear Trey,

You finally do the smart thing and bring David Vincent back into the fold and now you are gonna fuck it up by making me watch a guy with a turn table.


This pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject; most people who like Morbid Angel and want to go to their shows want to see them play with other metal bands. I don't want to go to one of their shows and feel like I'm in a dance club for 3 hours before Morbid Angel takes the stage.

Its not that metal fans are closed minded; I'm sure most of them (myself included) can at least appreciate and respect industrial/electronic/techno music as an art form, its just that most of them aren't so interested in listening to it.




toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Feb 5,2009 11:40am edited Feb 5,2009 11:40am
can you imagine how bored he must be playing with nothing but metal bands for 25 years?

i can't blame him for wanting to involve the music he's obviously grown to enjoy later on.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Feb 5,2009 11:40am
i'm not into that kind of music and would not like a show like that. it doesn't make me close-minded.



toggletoggle post by MoDecrepitvde at Feb 5,2009 11:49am
I'm a fan of ambient and (unconventional) electronic music so I wouldn't be opposed to the idea. Just as long as the music being performed by the non-metal artist's possess dark qualities.



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 11:54am
If I pay to see Texas Chainsaw Massacre and they tell me it's a double feature with Pretty Woman I'm pissed.



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 11:55am
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
can you imagine how bored he must be playing with nothing but metal bands for 25 years?

i can't blame him for wanting to involve the music he's obviously grown to enjoy later on.


I'm paying money to see them. I don't give a shit what he listens to in his spare time.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Feb 5,2009 11:57am
think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people?



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 11:59am
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people?


Then why did he let David Vincent back in the band after bad mouthing his lyric writing for years? $$$$$$$$



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toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 12:03pm
Basically I'm sick of constantly reading about how Trey has no interest in metal but will continue to reap the profits from it.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Feb 5,2009 12:08pm
well, i guess I don't care about any of that at all. so that's where I leave the discussion.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 12:11pm
"It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 12:11pm
He hasn't released a good album in over 13 years for christ sake.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 12:11pm
opinion.



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 12:12pm
darkwor said[orig][quote]
"It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth


I'm sure his disco record will outsell Morbid Angel.



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 5,2009 12:13pm
darkwor said[orig][quote]
opinion.


99% of RTTP is.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 12:13pm
I'd buy it.



toggletoggle post by darkwor  at Feb 5,2009 12:15pm
RTTP is full of factual information and I consistently cite it in scholarly articles about pictures of dicks.



toggletoggle post by Lamp nli at Feb 5,2009 12:19pm
reimroc said[orig][quote]
wtf is "terrorcore"?


Any fake band signed to B9.



toggletoggle post by DestroyYouAlot  at Feb 5,2009 1:58pm
brian_dc said[orig][quote]
think maybe at some point you stop doing it to care about other people?


That's fine and dandy for him as a musician. Maybe at some point as a ticket-buying-type-person I stopped supporting shows I'm not interested in seeing with my money. Or am I stifling Mr. Azagthoth's creative spirit by not going to see a live trance performance, just because I really liked Blessed are the Sick? Surely if he's so dedicated to Morbid Angel and/or happy cuddlecore or whatever it is, he's not in it for the money, right? LOL

Also bad punctuation.



toggletoggle post by zyklon at Feb 5,2009 2:13pm
I can't talk shit until I actually hear the mix, it may sound interesting



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Feb 5,2009 2:16pm
Trey is clearly a homo and should start dating Ghaal, or whatever that sword-swallower from Gogoroth calls himself.



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 5,2009 2:22pm
Copious fucking question marks.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Feb 5,2009 2:36pm
i want to start a Cuddlecore band fronted by Snuggles.


SUFFOCATION BY FLUFFY PILLOWS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



toggletoggle post by sacreligion at Feb 5,2009 2:38pm
that's funny, cuz most of the metal community is wondering if he's a doucher.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Feb 5,2009 3:27pm
sweet, thanks for clearing that up Mr. Azagthoth.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Feb 5,2009 3:27pm
he should have stayed George Emmanuel III.



toggletoggle post by ctb0rderpatrol at Feb 5,2009 3:31pm
im not close minded

bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by Dr. Sphincto at Feb 5,2009 4:58pm
Terrorcore is a type of hardcore techno sortof releated to gabber. An example of Terrorcore is Delta9



toggletoggle post by demondave at Feb 5,2009 6:29pm





Ha ha ha ha ... Is Dave Vincent going to go back to dressing in paramillitary black outfits with confederate flags all over them while they are bitching about close mindedness? Will he stand on the turntables swinging the bars and stars while doing it??







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toggletoggle post by DomesticTerror at Feb 5,2009 7:05pm
i couldn't read that whole statement. i wish he had just said he was gay.



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toggletoggle post by Hater at Feb 5,2009 10:48pm
Time to hang up the bullet belt, douchebaggot.



toggletoggle post by fleshfries nli at Feb 5,2009 10:56pm
I like the his point about ego and whatnot, a lot of metal guys won't give any other music a chance. But honestly, I think a mixed show like that wouldn't be too good, usually metal dudes go to metal shows to hear metal.



toggletoggle post by metalguy at Feb 5,2009 11:10pm
I dont think a tour with the berzerker would be out of the question.. a dj, i can see if they could really fit the bill and make some crazy sounds..

that would be interesting too see...

not sure why he even has to ask if metalheads are close minded!! of course they are



toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Feb 5,2009 11:26pm
Well, many can be.

Knowing stuff about ancient myths or the satanic bible doesn't make one open minded. Not saying it makes you close minded though.




toggletoggle post by swamplorddvm  at Feb 5,2009 11:31pm
Oh, and listening to European "folk" or Wagner doesn't make you open minded. Most will never try middle eastern or even african or flamenco, ect.

When it comes to music, Metal community... not very open minded.
But then, that's up to the individual.
It's good for a community to be somewhat close minded if it is to survive.

Protector and what's his name from Nile, they are open minded.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Feb 6,2009 6:53am
MoDecrepitvde said[orig][quote]
I'd be into a Morbid Angel / Autechre tour.


Me too... in 1994 or so.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Feb 6,2009 6:54am
swamplorddvm said[orig][quote]
Metal community... not very open minded.


"Open Minded" is an abused term.

Figure out what you like and pursue it.

Don't let the crowd con you into looking for the freaky so you feel justified.



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Feb 6,2009 7:09am
Bottom line is people will like what they like. You should always broaden your horizons and try different things as a musician. If people dig what you do, then sweet. If they don't then move on. The point is to do what you want to do, play what you want to play and there will be fans there to support you. Its when people start calling things out as trendy, or gay, or this that and the other thing that really ruins everything this music genre has. Just sit back, shut up, listen to what you want to and support the people who make the music you love.





toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Feb 6,2009 7:12am
wow, reimroc being deep at 7am.... and conservationist making SENSE at 7am... WTF?



toggletoggle post by MondoDecrepitude at Feb 6,2009 7:20am
As much as I love metal, and have for years, I could never limit myself to just one particular genre of music.



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Feb 6,2009 7:22am
^^^^QFT^^^^



toggletoggle post by reimroc at Feb 6,2009 7:30am edited Feb 6,2009 7:30am
MondoDecrepitude said[orig][quote]
As much as I love metal, and have for years, I could never limit myself to just one particular genre of music.


Neither could I. It in our nature as musicians to hear certain things within music that other people may not. Its also in our nature to try different things and to explore our boundaries. This ties in to limiting ourselves to one style of music. If we all did that, and had no apparent inspiration within our music everything would be bland and boring. So really when it comes down to it its our own love of listening and learning new things from varying styles and genres that gives us the ability to do things different.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Feb 6,2009 7:57am
darkwor said[orig][quote]
"It'd be nice to sell more records, but if I was in this for the money I could easily play something else...I don't understand how so many people can listen to typical music." -Trey Azagthoth


Remember him for that if nothing else.



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Feb 6,2009 8:05am
Actually the "Squealing Pig" in Mission Hill does the same sort of thing sometimes. Boarcorpse played there on a spin kick Monday (metal/kung fu on a projection screen) and then after us a DJ that played something similar to what Trey is suggesting. I didn't know what to call him, but it was really heavy electronic music. I dug it.



toggletoggle post by Kevord  at Feb 6,2009 12:35pm
This isn't about having an open mind about music in my oppinion. It's more about Trey Azagthoth lack of interest in supporting other bands who play the style of music that has payed his bills for 20 years. I can't blame his record label or a promoter for not backing this tour. Why doesn't he use his own money for this failing trek.



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