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returntothepit >> discuss >> Fri Feb 11 08:00 PM • Raven • Steel Assassin • Skull Hammer • ZeroGodz Tickets: $20 Club Hell by Headbanging Man on Feb 10,2011 5:36pm
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toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 10,2011 5:36pm
No thread for this one, pretty sure I'll be making the drive down though... Anyone else?



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 10,2011 5:39pm
Hoping to make this instead of the matinee show in NH Saturday. Steel Assassin is great live.



toggletoggle post by Mark_R at Feb 10,2011 6:18pm
If I can get my car unstuck by tomorrow I am so there.



toggletoggle post by old man mandingo at Feb 10,2011 7:19pm
saw raven back in the early 80s. meh.



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 10,2011 7:41pm
RAVEN totally fucking rips, they're in their 50s and will run circles around anyone, totally not kidding. It's unfortunate that their most widely-distributed stuff is the watered-down major label stuff - SO much (practically all) of their other stuff is devastating.

This past summer: http://youtu.be/uijLiaLUNoQ?hd=1

They get extra tough-points for Mark's inury - Early 2000s, the guy was crushed by an entire wall that fell on him at a construction site, nearly lost both of his legs, was told he'd never walk again. He's once again up and doing power-slides a'la early 80s. Even if you don't like their style, that's still way fucking metal. RAVEN kills.



toggletoggle post by joshcunt at Feb 10,2011 8:19pm
Is this really $20. Events page says $12. I was gonna go but I'm too fucking broke for $20. I gotta save up for Motorhead.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 10,2011 8:28pm
$20 is from Club Hell's page, so I'd bet on that one...



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 10,2011 8:30pm
Shitballs.



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 10,2011 9:08pm
$20?? Yup, because Raven's doing the 'using the openers backline/drums' thing, so they arrive in an empty van with no roadies, play other people's equipment for 60 minutes and depart with their $2500. total cash-grab tour----LAME



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 10,2011 9:18pm
I need to do that



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 10,2011 11:35pm
Ask Raven how much they're getting. No, really. Ask.



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 11,2011 6:20am
I told you how much they're getting



toggletoggle post by kellynli at Feb 11,2011 10:03am
that sucks. My husbans playing this show and I gotta pay 20$? lame



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 11,2011 3:12pm
Is your last name Gallagher?



toggletoggle post by Shitbag at Feb 11,2011 3:59pm
Her husband is in a band that pays to play.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 11,2011 6:55pm
Is this really pay to play? That would be stupid... I have no objections to giving RAVEN 20 bucks or them getting a $2500 guarantee though, I'm sure their expenses are not insignificant.



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 11,2011 7:31pm
Headbanging%20Man said[orig][quote]
I have no objections to giving RAVEN 20 bucks or them getting a $2500 guarantee though, I'm sure their expenses are not insignificant.


LOL read a few posts up about their 'expenses'



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Feb 11,2011 7:41pm
Ok, the nashua show is cancelled. I should have gone to this one. Oh well.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 11,2011 7:49pm
I read that, I meant in a more general sense. I think these days they are doing their own albums and licensing them out for different territories. They're probably too arthritic for sleeping in a van to be a practical option. They're also probably taking a few days off from their day jobs. If they end the weekend with a few grand for the band fund and a few hundred in each of their pockets, I don't see that that makes it a total cash-grab. As long as the shows don't suck, they'll be earning it.

Plus they're fucking RAVEN!



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Feb 11,2011 10:34pm
ZeroGods was kinda painful. Glen Benton look alike was spazzy and kinda annoying. Lots of fuck yous.

Skull hammer killed it despite pedal problems



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 12,2011 6:52am
OMG DRUNKIES



toggletoggle post by josh cunt at Feb 12,2011 11:31am
So how was it? Did they play anything off One For All? (not All For One, I'm talking about the '99 album, I liked that one, I'm sure they played all the usual hits)



toggletoggle post by boblovesmusic   at Feb 12,2011 2:30pm
Raven was fuckin AWESOME!

I'm kinda kicking myself for not discovering Raven before!



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 12,2011 3:06pm
They totally killed, though I was a little disappointed in the setlist - It was almost all "classics" with only one song from the new album (Breaking You Down) - Everything else they played was from the first few albums, all Wacko-era. This is a shame, because a lot of the Hasselvander stuff is FAR heavier / catchier / bludgeonier. John blew out his head at the end of the set, the final song (Crash Bang Whallop) was done with no bass. METAL. Nothing cash-grab about giving 100000%



toggletoggle post by AndrewBastard  at Feb 12,2011 3:28pm
for fucks sake....Raven killed it. That may be my fav guitarist ever...so shithead but so good. No pedals and effects...no frills. Just one hundred percent badassery...i was laughin with joy and headbanging like a maniac at the same time...now im stuck at the 212 version of animal house i arlington



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 12,2011 8:25pm
Big%20bag%20of%20assorted%20nigger%20parts said[orig][quote]
John blew out his head at the end of the set, the final song (Crash Bang Whallop) was done with no bass. METAL. Nothing cash-grab about giving 100000%


ya except it wasn't his head that he blew, it was the opener's. wonder if the head's actual owner got taken care of on that?



toggletoggle post by Pires at Feb 12,2011 10:16pm
thirdknuckle said[orig][quote]
Big%20bag%20of%20assorted%20nigger%20parts said[orig][quote]
John blew out his head at the end of the set, the final song (Crash Bang Whallop) was done with no bass. METAL. Nothing cash-grab about giving 100000%


ya except it wasn't his head that he blew, it was the opener's. wonder if the head's actual owner got taken care of on that?


what the fuck do you have against raven? U mad bro?



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 12,2011 10:31pm
I have NOTHING against Raven, love the first 3 albums, HUGE influence on my band actually, etc etc

I just think its bullshit to run a tour the way they are, taking advantage of the local openers, over-charging their fans and walking away with all the money.

I don't care what band it is that does that, it's BS

I think it's bullshit and I'm saying so



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 12,2011 10:32pm
bro



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 12,2011 11:18pm
That wasn't the opener's head, it was John's setup, an opener's cab.



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 13,2011 6:36am
Nope. It was John Gallgher's pre-amp through Phil's cab AND head.



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 13,2011 6:40am
This was a great fucking show. So much energy from Raven. Nothing like watching some dudes your dad's age run around on stage playing "Athletic Rock."

Also: $20 isn't over charging your fans when you play a solid hour and half set on a Friday night. Band has been consistently active for 30+ years. Faggot Deicide probably asked for a higher guarantee than these guys.



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 13,2011 6:40am
First band on NEAT records. All the credit to them.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 13,2011 5:07pm
I hope the amp shit gets made right, but come on! Taking advantage of the locals?!?! I'm sure that if they hadn't been comfortable with playing for free and sharing backline, they could have chosen another show to play.

Plus equipment problems and other unexpected expenses are yet another reason why it's not unreasonable for a band to sometimes ask for more than their bare minimum travel expenses. I'm sure STEEL ASSASSIN would not turn down $2500 if it were offered.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 13,2011 5:20pm
NuclearWinter said[orig][quote]
First band on NEAT records. All the credit to them.


I thought TYGERS OF PAN TANG was first? Rock Until You Drop might have been the first full-length though...

Had a Heavy Metal sized hangover all day yesterday, so my memory is slightly addled, tell me if any of this is wrong:

Take Control
Live At The Inferno
All For One
Rock Until You Drop
Guitar solo
Mind Over Metal
Breaking You Down
Bass solo
For The Future
On And On
Medley: ?/Break The Chain/Black Sabbath/In For The Kill/Symptom Of The Universe/Break The Chain
Crash Bang Wallop


Does anyone remember what that first bit of the medley was? I wouldn't have minded some more new shit, "Walk Through Fire" or "Running Around In Circles" would have been cool... But it was my first time seeing RAVEN and fact is, their Neat-era shit will always be supreme. If anything, the set could have used another track or two from Wiped Out!



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 13,2011 5:25pm
Raven told the club that they needed to use the opener's backline or they would have to cancel--- just less than 7 days before the show. They came to the US with no cabs or drums to save money. But um, forgot to mention that while booking the tour. To dump that on a club/opening bands after the show is booked is lame. Why was the NH show cancelled just a day or two before the show?

I don't care what band you are!!! it's a shitty way to run a tour. you Raven super-fans can defend the band and talk about how great they are ... maybe it's management, booking agency, whatever... but's sketchy shit, all I'm saying.

Trust me I will let you know if Phil's cab/head is trashed AND if the band took care of it



Why was the NH show cancelled just a day or two before the show?



toggletoggle post by NuclearWinter at Feb 13,2011 5:28pm
Because the promoter was a class-act fuckup.



toggletoggle post by goatcatalyst   at Feb 13,2011 6:11pm
I heard the NH promoter sucks little boys cocks at the arcade.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 13,2011 6:19pm
thirdknuckle said[orig][quote]
But um, forgot to mention that while booking the tour.


Well that puts it in a different light...



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Feb 13,2011 7:27pm
No doubt Raven deserve a lot of respect for their longevity, historical signifigance, and tons of great music. No doubt the show was great and the hardcore were pleased. This tour set-up just reeks of a bad agency, manager, something. Band in an awkward position using others' equipment. Potential to damage the band's rep and tarnish their legacy. There, I'm done.



toggletoggle post by Big bag of assorted nigger parts at Feb 14,2011 6:28pm
First part of the medley included I Don't Need No Doctor.
Hoping that dude's amp is ok, looking forward to hearing what's up.



toggletoggle post by Headbanging Man at Feb 15,2011 7:52pm
Good ear, Niggerbag...

I forgot one myself, just recalled today:


Take Control
Live At The Inferno
All For One
Rock Until You Drop
Guitar solo
Mind Over Metal
Breaking You Down
Bass solo
Inquisitor (!!!)
For The Future
On And On
Medley: I Don't Need No Doctor/Break The Chain/Black Sabbath/In For The Kill/Symptom Of The Universe/Break The Chain
Crash Bang Wallop



toggletoggle post by thirdknuckle  at Mar 2,2011 7:35am
Update:
Saw the Steel Assassin guys at Motorhead last night. Both speakers in Phil's cab were blown. BUT all those guys had nothing but good things to say about the guys in Raven and the gig in general.



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