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returntothepit >> discuss >> Microsoft Surface 2/pro by the_reverend on Oct 9,2013 2:08pm
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toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 2:08pm
So does anyone have one of the originals? Anyone getting the new one? My home desktop is on it's last legs and costing me $30 a month in electricity. I started turning it off and not using it, but it takes 25 minutes to start back up which sucks.

Basically, I'm looking for a desktop replacement and figured that this would be a good thing to try to see if I can ditch my boat anchor of a desktop. The bonuses are that I can't sort photos, etc... on the road with it and not have to whip out a laptop. Very useful at larger shows so I don't have to sit just playing on my phone while awful local or national bands play. Also, I'm going to use it to run my radio show. It will replace my desktop and then either it will become my desktop when the dock comes out or my laptop will become my desktop. We shall see.


The only problem is that it's 1/2 as fast as my laptop (though as fast as my current desktop)... and with a 10% discount, the surface pro 2 256GB SSD 8GB RAM + a type cover is $1299.90. Still, not bad since it will replace everything else.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 9,2013 2:26pm
The Surface Pro is a badass machine. It's the best tablet you can get hardware-wise, and it's the only one that's also an actual PC with real Windows. The artist from Penny Arcade http://penny-arcade.com/ uses it to do some of his comics with Photoshop and draws right on the screen, he's written about the Surface a lot in the archives. Don't let the 1/2 as fast thing fool you, you won't notice much difference. There's also games like Civ V that support touch. I would totally get one if it wasn't $1300 but IMHO that thing is worth it.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 2:58pm
thanks for the point out on penny arcade
http://www.penny-arcade.com/2013/09/24/the-surface-2

The big difference between the 1/2 for me is the battery life. 7hrs of battery life seems what I want. I have a 3-4hr laptop and I find it frustrating. 7hrs seems perfect. I'm curious how it will deal with batteries when you close the cover. The brilliant thing about the iPad is that when I'm not using it, it still gets emails/txt/etc... faster than my phone, but the battery usage is a about 10-15% per day. If I leave it just sitting in my bag with 100% change and don't use it, the next day it's still at 88% (as long as blue tooth is off that is).



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 3:02pm
I keep wondering if this will mean I don't need my iPad anymore. Problem is that my iPad has cell and there are apps that I can't live without on the iPad:
1) Logmein
2) Adobe Ideas
3) Google Voice
4) snapseed
5) Paper
6) chrome
7) hipstamatic
8) instagram
9) facebook app

I'm really interested in how the pen works. Right now, if I want to reply to someone, I usually have to draw on the ipad, save it out to the camera roll, upload it to dropbox, then download it on my desktop and send it from the email.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 9,2013 3:17pm
i'm pretty sure those apps are on the microsoft store and i don't think you can get cell service on the surface. yeah the ipad is great for deep sleep battery life, i'm not sure about the surface on that. since it's full-on windows, i have my doubts on that one.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 9,2013 3:19pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
Right now, if I want to reply to someone, I usually have to draw on the ipad, save it out to the camera roll, upload it to dropbox, then download it on my desktop and send it from the email.
lol 2013



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 3:24pm
10) Talkatone (GV integration with a phone so I can call from my cell # from my iPad). Skype can replace that, but I won't be able to call from my cellphone number which means most people won't pick up.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 3:25pm
ark said[orig][quote]
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
Right now, if I want to reply to someone, I usually have to draw on the ipad, save it out to the camera roll, upload it to dropbox, then download it on my desktop and send it from the email.
lol 2013


I have a bamboo tablet thing and I can't get it to really work. I mostly got it so I could have the art programs that came with it.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 3:26pm
ark said[orig][quote]
i'm pretty sure those apps are on the microsoft store and i don't think you can get cell service on the surface. yeah the ipad is great for deep sleep battery life, i'm not sure about the surface on that. since it's full-on windows, i have my doubts on that one.


If I were the designer, I would have a de-sleep co-processor with memory access. An ARM that handles some of the sleeping functions. would be awesome.



toggletoggle post by Steve Jobs NLI at Oct 9,2013 3:49pm
Soooooon you aaaallll wiiillll be livinnnng in theee cloooooouuud...



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 9,2013 4:23pm
that's so 2010.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 10,2013 9:33am
So I just watched this video of the Surface RT...

bennyhillifier
awesome. looks like a desktop replacement is just want Im getting.
I just need to get it to drive 2 monitors... maybe USB to HDMI.

I guess I will get into some PC gamining... maybe emus on my big TV too...
[YOUTUBEv=elSXvnC9HaE]

bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 10,2013 10:14am
buy me one bro.



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 10,2013 10:14am
i'm in the give-me special snowflake generation.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 10,2013 1:16pm
This is pretty perfect...

bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by controversial views at Oct 11,2013 2:29am
iPad ripped off surface



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 16,2013 4:49pm
http://bradleystrategygroup.com/30-days-with-surface-pro/

good info there.

IDK what is going to happen. I love my iPad. I love plenty of games on it. I love drawing on it.
I just don't see myself carrying around an iPad AND a surface pro.



toggletoggle post by ÆRK at Oct 16,2013 9:32pm
you'll still have your ipad. if you want a desktop replacement you'll get it, and i don't think you'll be lacking if you are just carrying around the surface. you'd be walking around with a frigging PC that's the same size.



toggletoggle post by xanonymousx at Oct 16,2013 9:34pm
i'd wait to see what apple is doing on the 22nd



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 17,2013 12:11am
apple is putting out a new ipad, mac book, and something else. I hope they put out a cover like the surface. Funny that apple is doing this the day that the surface comes out.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 17,2013 12:11am
they have also been saying iPad mini with retina.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 25,2013 3:10pm
I'm having a dilly of a pickle with this thing. It's "neat" but I don't see my use for it yet. I will have a better understanding once I do a radio show with it. We shall see.

The battery life seems to be weird and unpredictable. When I crank anything on it, it chews battery life.
The screen is always too big and too small. I can't seem to find a balance there.
The touch interface is weird. I can't use chrome for gmail cause I touch the screen and emails go into folders or idk what.
Sometimes the touch interface needs the pen... some times it needs my fingers. it seems like they expect you to use the pen AND your fingers at the same time.
the type 2 cover is great EXCEPT for the touch pad on it. That is just a plain awful experience. two finger scrolling is unpredictable at best. It also doesn't seem to take a double tap input. So moving things is a pita that I just end up touching the screen for.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 25,2013 3:12pm
with no cover on it, the screen is constantly turning on.
the pen is wicked easy to lose.

I'm getting a mini-display port adapter to see how it works with my monitors. I think that is where I'm going to "love" it. It is too bad that the docking station is 4 months out cause I would want to try it on that with my 2 monitors.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 31,2013 1:41am
So... The surface 2 is getting rave reviews as a tablet from what I see. I entered a contest and it looks like I won one free!



toggletoggle post by ark at Oct 31,2013 9:57am



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 31,2013 11:05am
I wish the pen had a better holder. one this I don't like about the pen is that as I tip the pen to 45 Degree angle, the spot that it things that the pen is on gets wonky. Anyhow, one note with the pen is AWESOME. I wish wish wish I had that in highschool and college. It would have rocked.

I'm starting to hook it up to multiple monitors and it's working really well there. This might just become a pricy desktop replacement. Driving 2x4K monitors from it when the docking station comes out will be cool. I did plug it into the USB of my monitors to get the KB/Mouse and it wouldn't recognize it. That was weird. I haven't plugged a hub into it before then.

Next, I need a hdmi-usb connector that does 2048x1154 resolution.

So on the comment I made above. I entered a contest for music and it seems that I won. The prize is a Surface 2 (the RT version of windows) and the Remix pad cover for doing music. The Surface 2 is compared to the iPad and doesn't run a full version of windows.
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-31747_7-57608...r-vs-surface-2-vs-galaxy-note-10.1/
the amazing things about the Surface 2 is that people are getting 14hrs of battery life out of it.

this is the remix pad thing. I'm hoping to try and get it to work with traktor. heh.

bennyhillifier



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 3,2013 3:19pm
so I'm liking this thing more and more. It's just a little weird. I wished they would update chrome to work better.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 4,2013 10:08am
I'm thinking about replacing my stolen laptop with this thing. It would be feel pretty much free to me since I'm covered under renter's insurance...I barely used my laptop before it was stolen since I have a work laptop and a kindle fire. Rev do you recommend?



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 4,2013 10:30am
Like I said, I'm liking it more and more. Still not 100% sold on it. I could get by in life with just an iPad and a work laptop for everything if I needed too. If you don't have a need for something like this right now, just get an external hd for storage and use what you have. If you need to do things that you can't get done with fire/work laptop, then this is a good alternative. It's just a little pricy if you aren't going to use it. I definitely like disconnecting from power all day.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 4,2013 10:33am
I got this to
1) replace my aging desktop that was sucking $30+ in energy a month
2) work on pictures at concerts
3) not have to bring my 15.6" laptop with me to the radio show

So far, it hasn't really done any of those things.. still working on it though.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 4,2013 10:39am
I'm in a unique position which is pushing me toward trying this. I was not going to even replace my personal laptop when it got stolen. But it was so old that all of the insurance compensation for it was only going to be passed along if I replaced it. So now I feel like if I don't get something I'll be throwing away $1000 or so. I figure it's a good chance to try a newer technology.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 4,2013 11:04am
oh, if that is the case... I would DEF get one. One good thing about this is that it comes with 200GB of skydrive which I didn't think I would like or care about at all until it started to integrate itself into my machines.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 4,2013 11:09am
I love being able to get up, walk to the bathroom and still keep my machine with me. Going to bed and get to do more than I can with other machines and not really worrying about the battery.

The only think I don't like about it is that gmail doesn't work very well through chrome yet. Lots of apps aren't updated for the DPI of the screen. When I try to use chrome for gmail and I end up moving things around.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 4,2013 11:18am
last night I saw a demo of the surface pro connected to 8 external hd monitors.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 4,2013 12:19pm
I think I'm gonna go for it. I really have nothing to lose here.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 9,2013 9:23pm
http://www.ingenious.co.uk/surface-pro.asp

A million monitors on a surface.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 13,2013 1:03pm
I got photoshop running on it now. I'm pretty happy with it. I can't wait for the docking station to come out for it so I can use it on my 2 monitors and totally get rid of my desktop. The day I can replace my 2 monitors with 1 or 2 4K 32" monitors will be my next happy day.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 13,2013 1:04pm
I also unplugged last night. went to a show, then came home looking at 32Gb of pictures.. loaded photoshop a few times and did some photoshopping. fell asleep with it on and it's still got 30% battery.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 13,2013 1:06pm
oh, what I don't like is that there is no affordable and working 3rd party charger.



toggletoggle post by ark at Nov 13,2013 2:43pm
man i don't know much about computars but i got a iPhone 5c the other day and man my penis is tired.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 13,2013 2:44pm
you would think that your bhole would have been what would have been ti-ti from all the action.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 13,2013 10:58pm
Ok, the battery is down to 16% now... And I processed a 1000 pictures on it.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 14,2013 1:23pm
Yeah...I got this thing and it rules. Pretty much replaces everything.



toggletoggle post by ark at Nov 14,2013 3:25pm
the pro 2?



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 15,2013 1:05pm
Yep



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 15,2013 1:17pm
that is cool to hear. I can't wait for the docking station so I can connect to my two 23" monitors.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 15,2013 2:39pm
did you get the type cover 2? I was having an issue with that if I folded it backwards. Come to find out that is not how you are suppose to do it. You are suppose to unclick flip and reclick so that the keys are hidden on the back of the tablet. weird.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 15,2013 2:49pm
I'm still waiting on it. It was shipped separately and incredibly slowly.

I've been using a USB hub and a wireless keyboard, but I will definitely keep that in mind...not at all how I thought it would work.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 19,2013 1:15pm
My surface2 came yesterday. It is pretty freaking awesome. I just don't like that there is basically not much in the way of apps for it. The Surface RT would be killer if they could get more people to develop games for it. One thing I like is that the Surface2 is thinner and comes with Office 365. Should be great.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 19,2013 1:34pm
I wish the Surface Pro 2 was more like the Surface2... size, battery life, etc...



toggletoggle post by DYA is THE SECOND COOLEST DARTH at Nov 19,2013 1:40pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
that is cool to hear. I can't wait for the docking station so I can connect to my two 23" monitors.


All I read was "something something docking". Glad to see, RTTP's been really light on snoodling content these past few years.



toggletoggle post by DYA is THE SECOND COOLEST DARTH at Nov 19,2013 1:40pm
())========oo========(()



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 19,2013 11:44pm
snoodling is more like this 8==={=====8



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 22,2013 1:33pm
So, this is weird. Saturday my Surface Pro just shut down and never turned on again. It clearly still held a charge, because the Cover 2 still lit up when plugged into it. I've returned it and they're shipping me a new one under warranty.

Service has been good on that. But just thought I'd throw it out there that apparently this is a thing that can happen.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 22,2013 2:05pm
yeah, somethings have up to a 10% burn out rate. My surface2 turned off and then wouldn't turn back on, but I think that was cause the battery died. Tom (rustedangel) just got the 512GB version.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 22,2013 2:06pm
Also, you could have driven to the microsoft stores and they would help you. There is one in the burlington mall and the salem nh mall. not sure where else.



toggletoggle post by brian_dc  at Nov 22,2013 2:36pm
Looks like Boston or Natick are my best options. Didn't even think of that.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 22,2013 5:53pm
just for the future.
Also, I found a bug that kills me. If you are in portrait mode and you try to use the search charm, it doesn't pop up the OSK.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 16,2013 12:05pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 16,2013 12:10pm
Oh I got the docking station and it's got limitations and all, but it's pretty awesome. They should have used a special DOCK connection of some sort so the dock could have better speeds. I would love to have
1) 2 display connections instead of displayport 1.2 changing (which none of my current monitors do)
2) a gig ethernet port (it's only 10/100 for some reason)
3) firewire which is basically impossible. (I really really really need firewire and have to keep a shitty laptop for use with one of my scanners cause of that)

The other issue is an issue with win8 and HDPI screens mixing with 72dpi screens. Legacy apps and even MS apps don't see to deal very well with it. So my screens look sort of odd. The smoothing/sizing is just off and odd. Maybe I need to look for clear type settings.

I must say last week ruled though. I had my surface pro 2 with me all week. I took it off the charger on tuesday night and then didn't charge it again until the weekend. I used it a bunch on my couch while sick and it was at 50% battery friday night when I plugged it back in.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 16,2013 12:11pm
I would also get the Power Cover, but the keys are backlit... which blows my mind. MS is fucking up!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 16,2013 12:13pm
I might go to the MS Store and see if they can do this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2171198
cause my pen is way way way off.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 22,2014 2:04am
I'm looking at using my surface2 as a second display

bennyhillifier
this shows you how to connect as a second display and to get rid of the recovery partition.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Jun 22,2014 11:40am
In case there is a single person left alive who hasn't heard me bitch about this; the Surface 2 was the biggest piece of shit I ever had the displeasure of buying. No app support. Has all the processing power you need to be effective yet can't do anything. Slow browser that crashes constantly. Also even without a full windows environment takes such liberator as interrupting your work to shutdown and update, and randomly installing 20 min worth of updates when you're trying to shut down and go home at 11:00 at night.



toggletoggle post by ark medæval times at Jun 22,2014 12:35pm
yeah, the app store is garbage. there are vlc media player knockoffs that are $15 bucks. microsoft store = toilet store.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jun 27,2014 1:54pm
So I went to the M$ store to look at the SP3 and get my SP2 looked at. The trackpad keeps not working. Anyhow, I played with the SP3 and that thing is amazing. I want the i7 version hard hard hard.



toggletoggle post by Daily Insights at Jul 3,2014 11:32am
Since the NSDAP is fundamentally based on the principle of private property, it is obvious that the expression "confiscation without compensation" refers merely to the creation of possible legal means of confiscating when necessary, land illegally acquired, or not administered in accordance with the national welfare. It is therefore directed in the first instance against the Jewish companies which speculate in land.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 3,2014 1:53pm
So, I've been getting like under 2hrs on a charge...
the pen is unusable for anything an inch around the boarder...
the trackpad keeps not working...
it always turns on in my bag...

So I went back to the store and they are giving me a new one.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 3,2014 8:33pm
Damn it! I wiped my surface out and they handed me a brand new one. I pulled the stand up and it was a surface pro 1! Not 2! So I had to send my 2 in and they are mailing me a new 2. That means I ha e no surface for a while.



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Dec 11,2014 2:42pm
Lerkin berneeth the cirface,
my battaree is died.
Merkrosofts got all ma merney,
ma bernk akount is fried.

Kan't keep own pretendan
that the RMA will fix ma prerblerms, YERAH!



toggletoggle post by DYA is LITERATE LULZ LIBRARIAN at Dec 11,2014 2:44pm
the_reverend said[orig][quote]
That means I ha e NO HALO for a while.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 11,2014 2:57pm
sending it in again.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Dec 11,2014 2:58pm



toggletoggle post by largefreakatzero at Dec 11,2014 4:03pm
I just have a nice case and a hotspot for my laptop. No headaches.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 13,2015 9:26am
I came back to this thread. Still loving my surface pro 2.



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Jan 13,2015 9:36am
Welcome back.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 13,2015 10:11am
who do I look like shannon?



toggletoggle post by odin lloyd at Jan 13,2015 4:45pm



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jan 14,2015 8:51am
yeah, I heard that the NFL got surfaces. makes perfect sense. The Surface pro 3 is pretty much what the SP line up should have been the whole time. I know the battery is going to go on this unit that I have here at some point in the next year. If it does, I doubt the amex warranty will pay for the new battery. They will probably just give me the money back and I will get the SP3 or SP4.

Right now, you are seeing more and more players come into the market. A lot of people hated win8, but on a tablet, with a touch screen, it's pretty much the bomb. I'm hoping the win10 hybrid start menu works well and that they don't completely ditch the tiles/metro. I like being able to split my screen between the app that I'm using and my desktop.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Sep 22,2015 9:08am
the Surface Pro 4 is being announced on Oct 6th!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 22,2015 12:26pm
the surface pro 4 and the surface book look awesome. I'm thinking of getting one of them to consolidate my laptop and my surface pro 2 into one unit.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 22,2015 12:28pm
it's a big money commitment. I'm going to wait for the reviews.



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Oct 22,2015 12:52pm
Reviews look good but I'm hoping it drives down the prices on the lenovo yoga 3 pro because I want a larger screen.



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Oct 22,2015 1:30pm
I was looking at the 4K dell 15.6", but the reviews are terrible.



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Oct 22,2015 3:11pm
yeah I saw that too



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 3,2015 8:46am



toggletoggle post by Alx_Casket  at Nov 3,2015 8:55am
Ugh that's fucking bullshit. I have the free plan now and 5gb isn't even worth remembering a password over. The cloud is a lie!



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Nov 3,2015 1:52pm
yeah...



toggletoggle post by the_reverend   at Jul 23,2021 8:08am
This is still going in my kids room for remote learning and playing steam. kid of amazing.



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