Even the Jews hate Israel. It's against their religion, and they have good reasons why. They know that if they have their own state jews and non-jews will suffer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ziSTY408h6k&mode=related&search=

pretty good video

leftist. "occupied palestine"

Of course the media in the US is DEFINITELY pro-israel this isn't exactly a big unknown media scandal. Of course we give israel a shit-ton of money, this isn't new news.

Having said that, the Palestinians do eat a daily shit sandwich over there, but the bottom line is that the palestinians have had shitty, extremely corrupt leadership for many, many years (i.e. arafat's money trail) and have followed it up with inept leaders such as Mahmoud Abbas who is letting Hamas run rampant.

Yes, the Israeli army does alot of fucked up shit, but as long as Hamas recruits and allows the recruiting of teenage boys to walk on to buses in Tel-Aviv with bombs strapped to them, as long as they recruit even younger boys to take to the streets go up against tanks and die for their "ticket to paradise" the Israelis will keep Palestine locked down.

who gives a fuck if the networks cover/don't cover deaths OVER HERE. it isn't going to change shit, OVER THERE.

this is a good video:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=62...1748819867080&q=death+in+gaza&hl=en

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=27...6334660051958&q=death+in+gaza&hl=en

This thread is FULL of HATE.

Death to Israel, Yup. Support.

deadlikemurf said:

Why would Hammas do that if they didn't have a good reason.


Muslims don't hate jews they hate Israel and Zionists. In fact Iran, the big jew haters, have a large Jewish community..oh and don't let Israel see this.








but you definitely have a good point. I see the whole thing as something that needs to be sorted out. the UN needs to grow a backbone

fuck I suck at HTML well anyways I guess I quoted myself? Is that possible

i agree with the your UN point 100% the big problem is the pc world climate will never allow for that type of strong-arm mediation.... i say strong-arm as a positive.. sometimes the best way to end a fight is to give everyone a smack in the mouth..

I do concede that Hamas has reasons to back what they do, however ,same as the irish situation (IRA), some methods employed are questionable at best. They do to an extent have their backs against the wall, but i can't get past the absolute pimping that the Palestinian brigades pushes on the youth there.

I also agree with your point that it's much less a fight about "hatred of the Jew" as many think. This is much more a fight based in this generational tradition of war, real estate, false pride, and politics. Religion serves as a sort of scapegoat in my eyes (much like the irish "troubles"), which is tough for me to say as I'm about as agnostic (raised irish catholic) as they come.

check out that death in gaza video i posted if you haven't yet. I'd be curious to hear your thoughts on it. it's really well done and portrays the conflict as it unfolds in gaza city, mainly through the eyes and accounts of the youth. I'll never wonder again how it happens that children are brought up to hate.

deadlikemurf said:

From one Murph to another, don't ever say you're agnostic. Gnosis is the Latin from "knowledge," and A-Gnosis means without knowledge. You're certainly not without knowledge, so let's all let that ridiculous moniker die, because it's kind of like women signing a petition to end women's sufferage. Bastards.