I have my computer pretty much spec'd out, I'm just not completely sure which processor to go with.

I'm buying an AMD, but I don't know what speed would be ideal for a system equipped with Vista.

I'm thinking a dualcore 3800:

Description:
[Socket-AM2] AMD Athlon™64 X2 3800+ Dual-Core processor

Specification:
Model: X2 3800+
Frequency: 2.0 GHz
L2 Cache: 512KB + 512KB
Packaging: socket AM2
Thermal Design Power: 89W, 65W, 35W



I'm getting 2 gigs of mushkin ram on the pc. should I go with a better processor? I don't game or anything, but I need to be able to make 12x12 300 dpi artwork and run protools without getting any lip from the system.

I'm specing out a new machine also. And for the first time ever.... I'm not going AMD.

And I said it before in another thread... but these SLI motherboards are fucking killing me. They all have 1 usable PCI slot in them. LAME.

I was thinking of going intel, but I'm going to have a shitty enough time affording the computer as is.

These are the specs I've been kicking around:


Case: Eagletech Dragon Aluminium Gaming Tower Case w/420W Power Supply, built-in temp display, and case lighting.

processor: Intel Core 2 Duo Processor E6320 (2x 1.86GHz/2MB L2 Cache/1066FSB) (I'm not sure ifI'm going with this one or not, I might go AMD)

cooling: Liquid CPU Cooling Fan System Kit (comes free with the pc)

mother board: Asus P5N-E SLI nForce® 650i SLI Chipset w/6-channel CODEC, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB (don't know shit about motherboards)

Ram: 2048MB [1024MB X2] DDR2-800 PC6400 Memory Module (Mushkin)

video card: Geforce 7300gt 512mb w/ dvi + video out (don't knowshit about graphic cards, but I picked the cheapest 512 one so I could support large resolutions)

Hard Drive: 160 GB HARD DRIVE [Serial-ATA-II, 3Gb, 7200 RPM, 8M Cache]

CD Drive: 18X Dual Format/Double Layer DVD±R/±RW + CD-R/RW Drive

wireless network adapter: Wireless 802.11g 54Mbps PCI Adapter (comes free with PC)

i'm running vista on one of my computers with an AMD 3500 and only 1 gig of RAM currently, and I have been fine so far multitasking. I doubt I could use P shop without problems, but for what I want to do (surf and use some low mem intensive programs) it is fine.

Go with Intel.

Yea, i figure the E6320 is Intels lowest end processor and it's better then AMDs high end stuff.

I'm going with that.


any opinions on the motherboard now though?

this is what they had for options as far as motherboards go, and I don't know shit about them so I just picked one.




Asus P5N-E SLI nForce® 650i SLI Chipset w/6-channel CODEC, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB
Asus P5N32-E SLI nForce® 680i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB [+ $138]
[New !!!] Asus Striker Extreme nForce® 680i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB [+ $227]
eVGA NForce 680i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0 Dual PCI-E MB [+ $121]
Intel D975XBX Motherboard 975Xpress Chipset w/7.1 HD Audio, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394, 3x PCI-E MB [+ $107]
MSI P6N SLI-F nForce 650i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394, PCI-E MB [- $5]
MSI P6N Diamond nForce 680i SLI Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB 2.0, IEEE 1394, PCI-E MB [+ $178]
MSI P965 Neo-F i965P Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA, USB 2.0 PCI-E MB [- $18]
MSI 975X Platinum i975X Chipset w/7.1 Sound, Gb LAN, S-ATA Raid, USB 2.0, IEEE-1394 Dual PCI-E MB [+ $63]

Check out some reviews. Some of those motherboards are reviewed here and others are talked about / benchmarked against other ones.
http://www.anandtech.com/mb/

My sweet gaming rig.

Here's what I'm looking at for a setup. I'm still comparing the performance of 2 geforce 8800gts's in SLI against 1 8800 ultra.


Case:
NZXT LEXA Black ATX Mid Tower Case

Power Supply:
PC Power & Cooling 750watt

Motherboard:
EVGA 122-CK-NF63-TR LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Motherboard

Processor:
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6600

Memory:
OCZ Flex FLC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 PC2-6400 Memory

Graphics Cards:
2 EVGA 640-P2-N821-AR GeForce 8800GTS 640MB 320-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Cards

Sound Card:
Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi XtremeGamer Fatal1ty Professional Series

System Hard Drive:
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

Storage Hard Drive:
Western Digital Caviar RE2 WD5000YS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive

Crappy DVD+- Burner:
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L
(until I'm able to rent BluRay discs from blockbuster or the drives come down in price, fuck em)

Crappy Floppy drive: (I still refuse to build a PC without a floppy drive)
SAMSUNG Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive Model SFD321B/LBL1

And probably some UPS from somewhere.

DestroyYouAlot said:

Hey man, I heard you deleted your system32 folder on that beast and it started going insanely fast.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:


jesus christ, that's gotta be close to 3 grand. I can only imagine how sick that thing will run once you delete the system32 folder.

It'll be 2.

Shitty things about it though:
1) Can't fit my current PCI tuner card in there.
2) My OLD PC is still fucking awesome in my opinion. The only department it lags behind on is games. And I don't play that many games recently.

I justify this though by realizing that I will be wasting vast ammounts of time playing the new Enemy Territory. And perhaps I will turn the old PC into a server.

Old PC stats (it will be 3 years old come august)

Case:
Aspire X-Dreamer II(Black) ATX Mid-Tower Case With 350W Power Supply

Power Supply:
Antec 480W Power Supply with Blue LED Fan, Model "TRUE480BLUE"

Motherboard:
MSI nForce3 250 Chipset Motherboard for AMD Athlon 64 Socket 754 CPU, Model "K8N Neo Platinum" (MS-7030)

Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 3200+, 512k L2 Cache, The Only 64-bit Windows Compatible Processor (haha that description was on Newegg.. it's a little dated now)

Memory:
Mushkin 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3500 Level One Dual Pack

Video card:
BFG nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "BFGR68256GTOC"
This was the fastest motherfucker available at the time. The 6800's came out like 3 days before I bought this. The 6800 Ultra was nearly impossible to get.

Sound Card:
Creative Labs Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS PCI Sound Card, Model "SB0350"

TV Tuner:
Hauppauge PVR 500 MCE Dual Analog TV Tuner

System Hard Drive:
Western Digital Raptor 74GB 10,000RPM SATA Hard Drive, Model WD740GD, OEM

Storage Hard Drive:
Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive

Optical Drive:
NEC ND3550a Black 16X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 16X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2M Cache IDE/ATAPI DVD Burner

Shitty floppy drive
NEC 1.44MB Black Internal Floppy Drive, OEM


The only other shit that changed was the addition of some extra fans, a fan controller, and replacing the motherboard after the MSI one shti the bed. The new motherboard is an Asus board with the same nforce3 250 chipset.

I see so many no-no's in this thread I don't know where to start.

Pro-tools? Don't get Vista. Get XP. Furthermore, in my opinion, don't get pro-tools.

Niccolai - are you planning on getting memory? You list none.

Video card - getting a card because it has 512mb of memory is not the best idea. With a card, it's all about the GPU it uses, not the memory. You could have 900000000mb of memory, but if the GPU is going to bottleneck it will bottleneck

Cases with powersupplies included = dead power supply in a month, 9 times out of 10

Hard drive - Get a drive with 16mb cache, not 8. ESPECIALLY if you're planning on running pro-tools or other recording software. That cache effects read/write speed greatly.

Niccolai and MSD - Memory - never heard of Mushkin. Heard of OCZ, and I've heard decent things about them. However, Tiger Direct runs a sale on Corsair like every other month, and you could pick up 2 gig for around the same price. I have to say, it's the best memory I've ever used.

MSD - Memory again - that processor you are getting is awesome, I got the same one. However, it can handle up to 1000mhz. Why get 800mhz memory? Like I said, wait for the sale at Tiger and get the 1000mhz corsair if you can. Same money, and you avoid one potential bottleneck.

Also, and this may just be the intense jealousy talking, why run 2 8800's in sli? It's an awesome setup, but if it's the route you want to go wait a few more months. As these DX10 cards are coming out the 8800's have been dropping in price, and you'll probably be able to get a top end 8800 for under $300 a piece.

And yes, SLI mobos seem to all suck ass. The cards cover the fucking PCI slots, so they're pretty much useless. You're lucky to find a mobo that had one slot still open and usable.



And finally: LIGHTSCRIBE is NOT fucking WORTH IT! You can get a better, faster non-LS drive for the same money. Lightscribe is crap. 30 minutes to burn one single label. On DVD's, the labels come out so faded and blurry you need to burn it at LEAST 2-3 times to get one that looks decent. On top of that, the shit is buggy and sometimes will run the full 30 minutes without DOING anything. Add to that that the cheapest you'll find the damned DVD discs is about $1-2 a disc (a 25 pack spindel cost me $30, I've seen cheaper online, but at a rate of 3 bad discs out of 10 with the HP brand still not cheap enough).

Lighscribe is shit, get a printer that can print to disks instead. You can get printable DVD media for around 20-40 cents a disk, depending on the quality of discs you're willing to use. (crap for 20 cents, high quality TY discs for 40 cents.)

One more thing: look into that x-fi gamer sound card. From what I've heard, it's not worth the money. Read a few reviews first. You might be better off throwing a nice e-mu card or something more geared towards sound production in there for half the price.

can a nigga get a DXdiag screen cap of your current system?

One more thing for niccolai, you said you want a graphics card to run higher resolutions. Resolution is determined by your monitor, not your card. (unless your talking about gaming). If you're not planning on playing games, you can get a crapo $50 card from wal-mart and never know the difference.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q1/cpus/index.x?pg=6

Old article bench marking dual core chips all running Vista. Basically every Intel chip is better than its comparatively priced AMD counterpart.

I still don't get SLI. I guess if you truly need the best possible graphics and want to spend $1000+ whatever on buying two top of the line video cards it's cool. But I thought benchmarks were showing that two cards are as good or worse than just a single better card which would be cheaper, less hardware to fuck up and way easier to upgrade. Maybe I'm just pulling that out of my ass though or basing it on old info when that shit just came out.

I will definately choose a different power supply then. Is it important that i get one that's SLI ready?

Memory will be 2 1gb muskin DDR2-800 PC6400s with heatspreader:
Capacity: 1GB x 2.
Frequency: 800MHz.
Latency: 4-4-3-10.
Parity: Unbuffered.
Voltage: 1-9V-2.1V.
Pins: 240.
Module: 128Mx64.
Chip: 64Mx8.

Vista claims you need 512 MB+ for greater resolutions such as 2560x1600 (to run aero's glass interface), which I would like to run once I get my new monitor.

Uh said:

Intel has always outperformed AMD, although by less and less as the years go by. That's why AMD is always cheaper.

two cards in SLI will SHRED a single GPU setup. Most benchmarks show at least a 25% performance boost. And you said it exactly, " I guess if you truly need the best possible graphics and want to spend $1000+ whatever on buying two top of the line video cards" This is a niche market, most people would never need an SLI or Crossfire setup.

I'm still researching my planned SLI setup vs. a single high end card. The difference is price is pretty close though. the 2 cards I'm chosing for SLI have the GTX's and Ultra's above them.

I'm still running on gforce fx 5200. I'm overdue for an upgrade.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

I read a few benchmark tests that preferred the sli setup. I will try to find them for you. These tests were done pre 8800 ultra, though, I believe.

Shit, they have DDR3 ram out already. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820104003 That's it, fuck computers.

ArrowHead is watching you said:

Yup, I always replace the PSU's.

ArrowHead is watching you said:

Mushkin is good. They're always used in the same class as OCZ and Corsair and the others when reading benchmarks and shit on tech sites. My old PC had Mushkin memory and I've never had a problem. Great timings too.

ArrowHead is watching you said:

I'm researching this as well. I did TONS of research on my last build 3 years ago. Truthfully though, I haven't had the time lately to keep up on hardware tech articles at the same rate I had 3 years ago. EVERY single CPU and motherboard review I read though is using various DDR2 PC800 DIMMs for testing the Core 2 Duo E6600's and its siblings. I'll have to keep looking around. I know the motherboard I picked out only oficially supports up to DDR2 PC800 but I know it can overclock higher. How fast is the memory in your Core 2 Duo E6600 setup?

ArrowHead is watching you said:

I agree. The drive I picked out is capable of doing litescribe but I will never use it. Honestly, they're in all the burners now. You're not really paying anything more for it. It's similar to how all the burners will burn dual layer discs. I've had a dual layer burner for a while now and I've never burned one. Fuck that. Single layer discs are $0.20 each.

ArrowHead is watching you said:

I've been reading up on that stuff. If you're going Vista, then getting a dedicated sound card isn't worth it. Audio drivers aren't in Ring 0 anymore and this Universal Audio Architecture shit is changing everything. I'm still using XP Pro though and a bunch of the games I play still use EAX. It seems as though all new games in development are developing the sound architecture to go with the Vista way of things now, though, so this will probably be the last SoundBlaster card I'll ever buy :(

ArrowHead is watching you said:

Yeah I read up on articles heavily when SLI made it's debut. The results didn't look good, so that's why I was skeptical when researching this build. It looks like things are quite different now, though. SLI's looking pretty good it seems these days. I still have to do reading to confirm this though haha

bizump.

( @ )( @ )

Niccolai said:

If your gonna run PT LE then I sugest you do some research on the DUC(digi user conferance) PT is prolly the most pickest software DAW. There are so many incompatablitys with hardware, and it is a huge cpu hog.

Back to my first post: Don't buy protools. It's crap. Unless you got the mics, room, and equipment to justify needing to adhere to the "industry standard" it's not worth the headaches.

Programs like logic, Cuebase, and Sonar are just as capable of providing the home recording enthusiast with enough power to do what they want. It's cheaper, or free if you call your buddy on his cell phone, and will be far more likely to play nice with your system.

but of course, with the above options, you'd need to provide the hardware. Last I looked you can scoop up a good firewire interface for $500 or less.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

That was my take on the situation. I guess thats what I get for not keeping up with the reading.

My bad, I didn't mean protools.

I meant to type protouch, which is an animated gif program.

I second the Corsair, suggest an Intel board, and also suggest waiting till 2009 for Vista.

DestroyYouAlot said:

we will have an oregon trail and number muncher marathon.

also... run XP and windows x's vista transformation pack. looks just like vista... uses MUCH less memory to run.

Niccolai said:

haha you've started a huge shitstorm and then just walked away.

thegreatspaldino said:

Why would I want XP to look like Vista? I already force XP to look like Windows 2000

vista looks sexy, thats why

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

That's kindof what I do here. teehee.

Conservationist said:

Service pack 1 will be out in the next couple months, that's good enough for me.

Niccolai said:

Shit yeah - it runs Quake 4 like it ain't no thing, now.

thegreatspaldino said:

Bitch, you gonna get dysentery (and raped).

well since im in dysentery... i might be immune to it.

http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2/pricevperf/index.x?pg=1 (update from my other link)

Shit, with the price drop AMD did a couple months ago or so, AMDs are looking better than Intel now. E6400 is about the price of the 5600+ instead of the 5000+ now.

I'm finally getting to more research. Some benchmarks of Quake4 (which will be comparable to ET:QW) at the highest qualites, 4x AA, 8x AF, and 1600x1200 show a 6.5fps difference between 2 8800gts running in SLI and a single 8800gtx. I don't think six and a half frames per second is worth $200 haha. I'll probably be going for a single vid card after all.

I bought a E6400 the other month.

I want you to urinate in my mouth.

I mean, how is it? What kind of motherboard / memory you get?

Now I'm thinking about a faster processor. I didn't take into consideration H.264 decoding. I think an Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 and a Geforce 8800gtx would JUST barely cut it. I want to be able to do this shit if I get a bluray drive down the road... also my new camcorder records everything in H.264. I can't even play that shit on my current system.

Hi.

Now I'm just stuck on which case to get. All these cases are gay and have stupid fucking doors on the front. This isn't a server, and I like to use my optical drives. Fuck you, door.

get the case that I got, it's a box with a handle.

I may go with an Antec P180

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129017

awesome, it looks just like every single other case out there.

Mine's a dinosaur skull.

the_reverend said:

Yeah, except it's built solid and has great cooling. It also doesn't look like an asian person's car.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

hahahahhahaha. I know, I know. I don't have much of a choice. I have to choose the least gay case with a door on it.

I think I'm ordering this shit tonight. I was looking up shit about getting faster memory (PC2-8500 instead of PC2-6400). The memory I choose is supposedly able to overclock pretty well. It has great timings too. From the little research I did on the subject, it looks as though buying PC2-6400 for this system is more of a thing for people who REALLY want to work some serious overclocking magic.

Just ordered 13 components. Chances are at least 1 of them will be defective. I wonder which it will be. It was the motherboard during my last major build 3 years ago.

I totally hijacked the fuck out of Niccolai's thread.

lol.

What did you end up ordering?

linkz, dammit.

Intel Core 2 Duo $186 @ 2.4

Antec Performance One P180B Black ATX case
PC Power & Cooling Silencer 750 Quad 750watt Power Supply
EVGA 122-CK-NF68-A1 LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard
Intel Core 2 Duo E6600 Conroe 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor
ZALMAN CNPS9500 LED 92mm 2 Ball Cooling Fan with Heatsink
OCZ Flex FLC 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 800 PC2-6400 Memory
EVGA 768-P2-N831-AR GeForce 8800GTX 768MB 384-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 HDCP Video Card
Creative 70SB046A00003 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Blaster X-Fi Platinum Fatal1ty Champion Series Sound Card
Western Digital Raptor WD1500ADFD 150GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
Western Digital Caviar RE WD5000ABYS 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive
SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe Technology Black SATA Model SH-S183L - OEM
NEC Black 1.44MB 3.5" Internal Floppy Drive
8GB SDHC Flash memory card for mah camcorder

How are the EVGA muddabodes?

Looks like a good setup. That video card is awesome, i wish I'd waited for the price drop and got one of those, although I've yet to have any real issues with the 7950. However, a few years from now, I'll probably regret it.

Did you order a card reader for your camera cards? The 3.5 all in ones are like $10.

I recorded numerous albums and songs on computers less powerful than what you can get for $300 today. Cakewalk Sonar on an 800mhz pentium with 128 megs of ram.

Unless you are running a lot of soft synths or plugins, audio doesn't exactly tax even the most basic of systems these days.

Video is a different story. But unless you are getting paid and have time deadlines.. set that shit to encode and go to bed!

Also: Get XP. Vista is way too new to be working with audio or video

My computers are all so shit compared to most of this. The best one I use is like 950mhz.

My desktop at work is 600mhz haha. At least this work latpop I'm on is a Centrino 1.8ghz.

weawef said:

I dunno, I've got a 1.2 gig system, and running Acid 5 with full drum tracks fucks my PC in the bum-bum.

DestroyYouAlot said:

Yeah, this guy is full of crap. Most likely, he's not running much for plug-ins or multiple tracks. On a system of that size, I would most likely be able to load a basic mix with the drums bounced to a single stereo track, and a handful of plugins. And we won't even talk about trying to record drum tracks simultaneously without the audio engine crashing.

This thread was never about recording audio, but if you're going to be running something like sonar and doing any sort of serious work with it, I'd reccomend AT LEAST a pentium 4 with 1 gig of memory.

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weawef said:

I'm guessing that he only means unless you are running a lot of soft synths or plugins.

weawef said:

a lot? With the specs you posted, you would not be able to run even a single small synth. As for tracking without one, it's do-able. However, your system would never be able to handle recording a full drumkit, let alone putting together a drum stem with effects.

Henceforth, either you lie, or you make shitty albums and recordings. Either way, your opinions in this thread are officially disqualified.

Funniest part, your posts had nothing to do with the subject at hand in the first place.

Soft Synths are for homos.

I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000.

I've been recording for 10+ years now, and just because you need some bloated ass over priced computer to post dumb shit on a messageboard, doesn't mean someone else can't do something.

Also: In 2000, there really weren't all that many softsynths.

SO again, you miss my entire point.

If you don't use a synth/sampler for drums, you gotta get em somewhere.

You're telling me with 128mb of memory you had no problem at all loading up 8+ drumtracks for a full song, and running those nice expensive waves plugins running on every track?

As I said, you're full of shit, or you make poopy recordings. To do the job right, you need more than 128MB of memory. Period.

And as for building a big expensive computer to post dumb shit on message boards, next time read the thread before you post. You'd then clearly see we built the big fancy computers to play mindless and graphically awesome video games.

My recording rig is a P4, with 1 gig of memory.

Dumbass turd sniffer.

I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000. I recorded 8 tracks live and played back as many as 16 without problems(I never needed more). Running waves plugins, eqs, limiters comps etc.

Using windowsME and 2000.

PS: What kind of system did you have in 2000?

PPS: I'm running a quadcore xeon workstation with 8 gigs of ram and dual fx3500 cards. so fuck you! hahahah

arrowheadisafag said:

Wow, what's up Rain Man?

No shit, eh?

If I have to repeat myself, I wanted to make sure that cockgobbler saw it the second time

wait i still don't understand what this guy is saying. i think i need to read it a couple dozen more times.

arrowheadisafag said:

There ya go.

My shit showed up. I have no idea when I'm going to have time to build this.

I just powered this shit up. Cabling yesterday was a bitch, but I got it looking fucking nice. Should have good airflow. This case is so fucking quiet, it's great. CPU is idling at 26C which I didn't even think was possible.

Only bad thing so far is that my 8pin 12V EPS power connector that goes into the motherboard (extra CPU power) is about an inch too short (my PSU is on the bottom of this case). I managed to JUST barely make it snaking under the video card (to the left of the pci-express slot) but it is impossiblie to plug my sound card in like this. I have to order an extention cable online before I can plug the sound card in. boo.

That thing's gonna run Colossal Cave Adventure at an amazing framerate.

Link me and I'll benchmark it.

Cabling's pretty much done. Did some light stress testing after putting in the proper timings & voltage for my memory in the bios. Also formtted the 2 SATA drives and loaded up windows with updated chipset & graphics drivers.

All I have to do now is wait for my power extention cable to show up from UPS tomorrow (so I can plug in the sound card and also run the cable behind the motherboard instead of in front). Then I can seal this bitch up.

Now I'm going thorugh the hidious process of researching every setting in the bios and brushing up on some OC'ing guides. I only do this shit about once every 3 years so I always forget what the obscure settings do.

menstrual_sweatpants_disco said:

I have no clue how to do that.

really? It's all that CAS latency, RAS to CAS delay, etc shit. The lower the better. Usually the motherboard doesn't always guess what's best. My motherboard was defaulting to 5-5-5-15 speed at like 1.8 volts or something. But my memory calls for 3-4-4-15 @ 2.1volts. Faster.

Point me to a good place to learn this stuff, because I never adjusted any of this when I threw my box together. Only stuff I've adjusted in the bios is startup settings, and disabling the onboard sound.

I just spent all morning browwsing the http://www.anandtech.com forums. Let me see if I can scrounge up any of the good OC'ing articles. I don't think I specifically looked up any stuff on RAM latencies this time around. I know there's 31 different settings, but people tend to only fuck with the first 4. With this build I just got some memory with decent timings and overclocking ability and then just blindly punched the correct settings into the bios.

Here's a pretty good guide nvidia put out for beginners wanting to OC motherboards based on their 680i SLI chipsets:
http://www.nvidia.com/docs/CP/45121/nforce_680i_sli_overclocking.pdf

Here's another guide someone put together:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.as...d=28&threadid=2057083&enterthread=y

And here's another good guide someone put together for stress/stability testing:
http://forums.anandtech.com/messageview.as...d=28&threadid=1901991&enterthread=y

ahhh, you're talking about overclocking. I'll read through some of it, but I'm afraid to try. I've seen a lot of threads over at the Sonar forums that OC can cause crashes. Also, I think the MSI board I have is not very good for it.

I used to read the MSI boards. They were alright. Anandtech boards are pretty good though.

And as long as you thoroughly stress test your system, you shouldn't see any crashes. You basically just keep turning up the proverbial dial until you start to see instability, then you turn down the dial a little to the point where you could run the fastest while still remaining stable. Through all of this you'de of course be monitoring your CPU's heat so that under full load it's not exceeding what the manufacturer suggests as a max temp.

I just read through some of the more obscure bios settings for my mobo. The shit that had me scratching my head had to do with chipset voltages and multipliers. I'm not touching that stuff with a 10 foot pole.