Sorry about this, folks. We'll be back to our regularly-scheduled nonsense shortly, but I've taken a few moments out of my day to address a very special someone. Don't worry, dick jokes will be back soon.

OH HAI SETH

Well, I guess we're doing this, now. I've been pretty closed-mouthed about why I left Herugrim, because I respect the other guys in the band, and I still believe in the music that they're doing. But you've been anonymously dry-humping me up and down RTTP on and off ever since I quit, and the first time you saw something you could take offense at, you jumped at the opportunity to sling some shit (under your own name for once, miracle of miracles). If you can't deal with my mentioning that I didn't get along with somebody in the band, fine, whatever - as I said to your face already when I quit, yeah, it's you. I was completely honest that I didn't like playing with you, so I wasn't gonna do it anymore. No butthurt feelings were necessary. And that's the other reason this shit hasn't been out on RTTP - I said what I needed to say to you in person, like an adult. It wasn't the internet's business why I left, and, frankly, the particulars wouldn't have reflected all that positively on the band, so nobody heard shit. No need to play fucking insult tennis on the intertubes, but here we are - fine, bait taken.

Here's the exchange we're branching off from:

(Me talking about strumming bass chords.)



(BTW: I've been pretty fucking patient with this crap for a while, but fuck this. So...)






Now that we're all up to speed...

Let's see:

You are a douche. A giant, flaming douche at that. And you've established an unimpeachable reputation in the NE metal scene as a douche. (Ask around, sometime.) Playing with you for a year made me hate music for the last 6 months of it, which is quite a fucking accomplishment. You were, what - 34? 35? - when I was in the band, and you acted like a 5 year old. Throwing tantrums at practice, slamming shit around, storming out, refusing to play, playing too fast or two slow on purpose, you name it. If you have a problem with someone, you tell everyone else but them, talk shit about them on the internet (anonymously, of course), and - from what you told me about when you and PaganMegan lived together - come in their shampoo bottles and fuck with their food and shit. You somehow think that you can tell me this kind of shit and I'll think that "Oh, no, we're cool, you just act like this to everybody else on the planet." Here's a tip: People aren't that dumb. I'm certainly not.

Thing is, if you were a rock-solid drummer who could anchor a band, I'd probably have overlooked an awful lot of douchiness (or at least been able to stomach it for longer). You're not, though. You're powerful with mid-paced shit, and your fills are creative as hell. You're an unexciting player on slow stuff (MORE SABBATH, PLZ), but that's not a fatal flaw in a metal drummer. However, you want to be Mr. Blastbeat all the time and do SICC BROOTAL STUFF DOOD. Two problems: A) You feather the snare, and it's inaudible when you blast. You are already aware of this, because you've told us that this was a problem in previous bands, but you never do anything about it (like it's our problem). B) As soon as you start to blast, you lose the ability to count to 8. 12345678 1234567 12345678 123456 isn't raw and br00tal, it's sloppy. This also isn't fatal - plenty of bands deal with this, to be honest - except that your accents are in completely random places, the fills either go over or drop beats, and you insist on always doing straight double bass along with, so there's not a damn thing to lock onto. And when nobody can follow, you blame everyone else. If I didn't know any better, I might have believed you, but I've played with drummers who can actually blast (Tim from Nadir and Marc from Steve & Dave, for example), and never had a hard time following what was going on. Playing beyond your ability is one thing (that's how people improve, to a certain extent), but nobody can tell you anything because you KNOW WHAT YOU ARE DOING, so it never changes. From what I heard about the amount of drum edits required to make the Hekseri demo possible, this is nothing new. TAKE A LESSON, SMELLHAMMER.

On top of all this, the fucking power struggle bullshit. I try to get shit done, you drag your feet because it's me trying. I set up a time to get pictures taken at an epic site with a talented photographer using nice gear who will work for free, you refuse to do it because we can just have somebody point a disposable at us wherever. I set up time to record vocals at a good friend's private studio, which we can use for free and until whatever hour of the night, you bitch about the scratch track and take cheap shots. This was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back, BTW.

Let's see what kind of fun experiences playing with you has brought me:

You steal Matt from Malkuth's hi-hats at our first fucking show. (BTW, again: If you'll do it to someone else, why am I supposed to believe you won't do it to me? Remember that black LTD 6-string I used to have? Wonder how much that'd go for in a pawn shop.) Great, so now we're the band that steals shit - sweet reputation to start off with. When I call you on it, you change your story and you "just saw them laying around and were saving them." Except I have to chase you around for WEEKS trying to get you to ship them back to the kid. Finally, when they're playing with Possessed THAT WEEKEND I have to go to your work, grab them from you, and overnight them myself. I wonder if I ever would have seen the money for the FedEx if I hadn't just deducted it from space rent. (BTW, Ryan GC: Sorry I didn't fill you in on this little tidbit ealier - hopefully you can understand that it's sort of fucking awkard.)

Second show: We play at O'Brien's on a weeknight to like 20-30 people, and OMG WE DIDN'T GET PAID so you start all kinds of fucking internet drama over it the next day - anonymously at first, of course - and keep it going even after I ask you to JUST FUCKING STOP ALREADY. Do you even know what a reputation is, or do you just trash your own so regularly that the concept is foreign to you? Protip: You're not Tommy Lee, and we weren't Motley Crue. Luckily Rich is enough of a dude to say fuck it and let it slide - way to alienate the one dude booking black metal shows in Boston all the same, numbnuts.

Third show: We play at the Wheelchair - DIY-type warehouse space, for those of you who don't know, not Great Woods - and you throw a fucking hissy fit because OH NOES I GOT BEER ON MY DRUMS. Seriously? In your long and illustrious career as Captain Thrash (which you never got tired of talking about), this has never happened to you? So, again, pack up your shit in a huff in front of the entire crowd, swearing and dropping shit, and we gain a thousand douche reputation points. Real class act. (BTW: You dropped about a minute and a half off of "Runes," and about 4 bars of "Woods.")

The other shows were pretty much more of the same, you dropping multiple bars and blaming it on us, bitching about money, and finally taking off with whatever door cash we made at the last one. That's ok, you know what they say about divorce - it's expensive, but it's WORTH EVERY CENT.

The next few months, other than mysterious pissy posts whenever I post about bands or bass, are quiet, and then OH NOES I let it slip that I didn't get along with someone in the band, and you come along and whine about it and talk shit.

So now we're not BFF anymore, and as I'm not retarded, I fully expect to have lots of mysterious, never-posted-before anonymous posters talking trash to me in broken English. Everyone here remembers the months and months of PaganMegan threads, and nearly everyone here knows full well they were 90% you. (Here's an AnonySeth post: Little or no caps, sparse to non-existant punctuation, broken sentence structure, and YOU ALWAYS LOG IN AND POST AS YOURSELF A MINUTE LATER. HOW FUCKING STUPID DO YOU THINK PEOPLE ARE?)
Like this, for example:



BTW, this:

is fucking priceless.

So now I'm the bad man who took your lolly, and I'm in standing in front of a loaded trollgun. OH NOES

For the record, I have no problem with Mike or Jim, and I'm sorry that they've got to be associated with all this nonsense. I'm fully down with playing shows with Herugrim when they're ready to go; John already knows to watch his hi-hats.

Here are your talking points summed up real quick:

I have had some trouble singing in key at shows. I also recorded a scratch vocal at somebody's house, and the clean parts sounded "like a pussy."

I occasionally, when playing bass unaccompanied by a drummer, fall into a triplet pattern.

Some other bullshit, probably.

OK NOW YOU GO

Steve DYA

That's how you put someone on blast.

This was well crafted.

this would be better if the title said your

inb4 FIGHT HIM OR YOU ARE A PUSSY

hahahahahaha. seth sucks.

get back to the cow pictures.

I didn't read any of that, but this Tina's Burrito is damn tasty.

don't want to get too involved in this old herugrim drama; but as both a current and former band mate and friend of both people, I will just say one thing:

let's just drop it.

this shit's giving my band a bad name.

oh and Steve, I kind of wish this was a real letter or email and not on the internet.
i'm not sure if your point was to expose seth as a 'douche' to the "scene" here or to just get people to laugh at it.. but personal stuff is personal.

and I am now viewing this as only dropping Herugrim's name down to a lower level and making others associate negativity with the band. Which is why this shit should have stayed personal.

We'll just let the music do the speaking I guess.

stop mcgunking up the herugrimz

cereal

We feel bad for this type of situation, we truly enjoyed playing the show with you guys and we mean no disrespect to either parties. A band departure is never easy, look at us. This thread pales in comparison to what is said about us. I hope you guys find a compromise and get past this, we enjoyed the company of each and every member in the band when we shared the stage.

ya everyone goes through this kinda shit at one point or another... sometimes its a blessing in disguise

this is why metal NEEDS more core... I will watch a fistfight, but this is how my mom solves problems... just sayin

BEEF!!!!! I lehv teh intrehnehtt.
For the record-I am deeply in love with everyone involved.

FIGHT HIM OR YOURE A PUSSY

Cut his worthless balls off and shove them down his girlfriends throat!!
hail satanas and pass the blunt.

SOUND "LIKE A PUSSY" OR YOU ARE A PUSSY

Why would he cum in PaganMegan's shampoo bottle and fuck with their food?

looks like we have an undercard for RTTP charity boxing

Herugrim was the first and only time I ever thought Seth sounded halfway decent in a band but I don't doubt a single word of DestroyYouAlot's rant...

Hekseri always sounded like chaotic noise to me, and it was mostly because of Seth. His blasts are out of control, his fills never land on time and his cymbal hits seem completely random...

And if he really came in Megans shampoo bottle....that is just ridiculous...

Because he's a douche, catch up dude.

That'd be an easy bet to make.

CUM IN A SHAMPOO BOTTLE OR YOURE A PUSSY

lol. mint Steve. The first time Kevorkian's Angels played with Ascendancy, Joe NotCommon was like "It's gonna be a sick drummer show, this guy Seth is SO FAST" John Gillis played fucking circles around this guy, his snare hand is so weak he has to wash it away with a ton of crash cymbal and pointless fills. After that build up by Joe and others and then to see him play, fucking priceless. That first show I knew we were light years ahead of most bands back then. Yeah I said, we fucking ruled. And to read the rest of the post, i know Steve and he's a solid honest dude, i hate people like Seth. FUCK YOU!

on a side note, KA played a show at Obriens with whatever the band that Megan, Seth Anthony and Larissa did. I was handed the money for some reason, so I went outside to pay the bands and between Anthony, Megan and Seth all acting like fucking rockstar babies, whining "where's our money, we got rent and blah blah blah, I didn't come out for fucking gas money what the fuck maaaan"......so I kept it all. LOLOLOLOL

seth's doing it wrong.

you're supposed to stick the shampoo bottle up your ass then cum.

at a medium pace, not with blastbeats going crazy.

the only blasting should be the cum blasting out of the dick.

Dude, I really am sorry that you guys have to be associated with this nonsense, and I won't blame you if you're annoyed at me - for what it's worth, I'm bummed to have been involved with some of this crap, and I'm not even in the band anymore. But, frankly, I got tired of being the bigger man, here - I think I've been more than patient - and Seth had his chance to shut the fuck up in the other thread, which he declined. I don't for a moment imagine that I come out of this looking good AT ALL, or have picked up any internet cool guy points - if anything, I feel like I've lowered myself, here. I'm not looking for scene points, I'm looking to vent some steam and lay my shit out on the table.

Personal shit is fine, only most of this wasn't, and I'm not psyched with the shit I've already been associated with thanks to Seth. Stealing equipment and rockstar attitudes at shows are the opposite of what I'm about. You've got to remember that the shit your associates do rubs off on you - and that goes for you guys as much as it does me. I didn't invent any of this, I just put it out in the open when I got poked at one too many times.

Seth is more than welcome to post his rebuttal here, which I more than likely won't respond to, and from here I'll consider this done with - I've said my piece - you just have to ask yourself whether he'll have the ability to do the same.

well Brad, Anthony was in Cryptic Warning, not Hekseri "whatever that band was," and now he's in Revocation

I could never understand a single note of anything Ascendancy played whenever RK played with them. I did notice he was a tapper though.

I'll say one thing... tim from nadir is fucking spot on a hard act to follow.

It doesn't matter dude - if you want to vent shit, shoot him an email, not post it on rttp. Both you guys are friends of mine, but please keep this shit off the net from now on. Not just you. This thread right here is making me not want to post on this forum at all anymore - something of which I don't do too often anymore as is. In fact, I don't even want to be associated with any of the hearsay above. I don't want to be involved with any drama bullshit, whether it be my band or any others.
You guys can have all your opinions you want on his drumming; no body is perfect at their instrument. We're not Hekseri, we're not Ascendency. We've got a completely different style of music than both of those bands, with limited blast parts here and there. I have no reason to justify anything with my band or the people in it. At least at this point, we're going to keep going, different members or not.


As far as cumming into a shampoo bottle? I'm pretty sure nothing was taken to that extreme, although that is an excellent idea. But we all know the best prank is to put honey into a shampoo bottle due to its similar texture and feel of shampoo.

this is TRUTH

ok. He was being a bitch just the same.

and that dude from Nadir is WHOOOAAAAA tight, holy shit can he blast

Everyone is a gay and I love you all. You all suck and and you all rule. Whatever. Cum in shampoo bottles (I wish I was that clever), have musical differences, jerk off to gay porn, whatever, WE ARE ALL FAGOLI"S AND IT DOESN'T MATTER!!! No one died and no one cares two days from now. There are more important things to worry about.

Just have fun wasting money on shit that doesn't matter as it is all we have to look forward to until we die. Enjoy it while it lasts or you are a pussy.

well said, c.DeaD

GaysideService offers peace love and blowjobs for everyone in Herugrim including the ex-members. Ron from Gayside doesn't cum in the shampoo he fills it up half way with French Fry greese!!

This place is turning into a band drama blog.

Deal with your shit in real life, face to face, not on the fucking internet, you stupid pussies.

gay !!

Brad's referring to the first year I did the Halloween/my birthday covers thing. CW and Hekseri played, I had to get up early early to see my family in Maine the next day and told the bar just to give all the money to the bands directly. I got a million frantic calls from Anthony and I forget who else about did I take off with their money. haha what a mess.

bennyhillifier


bennyhillifier

wasn't Martin Doyle involved with that somehow too, or/and Purp what's his face?

Brad what'd you spend the money on?

Yeah, it was Purp. When I asked him what happened he said he gave it to someone he thought was me because they were tall with a shaved head and wearing a black hooded sweatshirt. Clearly a dead-on description of Brad.

it's diaramarama!

haha, I was just walking around inside making sure we got all our gear and someone gave me the money and said "here, split this with the bands" so I said ok. That was my intention, but the bitching got to me, so me and the boys treated ourselves to some beer and cocaine.

Wait Wait....

Who came triplets in Pagan Megan's blastbeat sandwich???

IN B4...OH WAIT.

CAN I HAS ASCENDENCY AND HERUGRIM CDS IN MY CENTURY MEDIA GRAB BAG NOT FROM THE RELAPSE FAMILY?

IN B4 POST MOAR TITS OR FIGHT PUSSY WITH A SHAMPOO BOTTLE

bump

Thats the tamest pic i've seen DBP post.

like whoa classic rockstar bullshit

wow, who airs grievances like this? On a public forum? Come on doods, be DOODs and suck it up.

Yes, but might be one of the funniest.

ACTUAL PHOTO OF THE SHAMPOO BEING USED LOLOLOLOL

Picture is... actually not unrelated.

Come......To.................. Shampoota

listen I am tired and I want to see megans dick thats all so bring me some of megans dick picks I know you have them please pleasedljkghbadflhbafdhbadnb.adnb,anb

jeebus, i hope my former band mates don't hate me like this guy too

someone wake me when seth replies here.

Jizz in some Metal Valkyrie's shampoo and it may guarantee you a spot on someone's shit-list.

we don't hate you, anthony , and as far as i know, the dudes from coffin birth and shroud don't either. I don't know the other people you've been in bands with, so i don't knows.

someone wake me when Megan has tits

sweet good to know i'm not hated haha


I know it is annoying for prior bandmates that i don't have a car..

i think the other patho guys probably get annoyed with how controlling i am with the song writing and production and shit like the way the cd is being recorded and such.

and i went and listened to the hekseri stuff on myspace. good shit, everyone else was pretty much spot on about the blasts being all over the place and completely off time though.

Abbath's baby slurm in MY conditioner? It's more likely than... ahh too easy.

IT'S MORE LIKELY THAN YOU THINK OR YOU ARE A PUSSY

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i love this thread.

no you don't. you're the hater. you're supposedf ot hate everything, including this thread.

Hai

SIGHHH

Sad Aril is sad
=/

Seth is in Australia riding kangaroos in the Outback. I talked to him via email a few months ago and he's alive and well. I don't think he checks here anymore.. I'll email him soon I guess.

then there is a poster that I thought was him and I guess isn't.

And this thread = lol

this thread is a mess

Perhaps I'm a minority in this, but when someone is being a douche incessantly, I think it's extremely important to expose them and exile them any way you can. All's fair in war. I always like the threads that bring drama out into the open because we can't all pretend to be satisfied with everything we're handed to us all the time and it's really refreshing to me to see people who throw caution to the wind for the sake of honesty.

the original open letter to black metal thread

fucking blurst beats

Now the world makes sense.

Dear Nurse Mophead,

You have a mophead.

eat shit SETHHEAD

The fiercest enemy is the man who has nothing left to lose.

Would this be bad breath Seth?

Still loling

bumpp

head-butt him off the internet or you're a pussy

LMOA

Laugh my off...ass?