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returntothepit >> discuss >> Right-wing/left-wing: what do they mean? by Conservationist on Apr 23,2009 3:38pm
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toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Apr 23,2009 3:38pm edited Apr 23,2009 5:22pm

The right wing, who are inherently collectivists, realize that the individual never trumps the group; as part of this, they deign to subsidize those who do not contribute to the group.

The left wing, who are inherently individualists, say that no individual should ever be subjected to torture, even if the collective is threatened, because the principle of being immune to society is most important.

http://www.amerika.org/2009/social-reality/we-live-on-different-planets/


This seems historically accurate in a de Toqueville or Huntington sense. However, it suggests that the American conservatives are off-base and trying to be liberal, and that's why they always run into logical paradoxes while demanding individual freedom yet higher defense spending, greater infrastructure, supply-side economics, etc.



toggletoggle post by Yeti at Apr 23,2009 3:40pm
at this point, the only thing in society that sticks to truly "right wing" and "left wing" is poultry.



toggletoggle post by ouchdrummer   at Apr 23,2009 3:42pm
i like dark meat.



toggletoggle post by FuckIsMySignature at Apr 23,2009 3:53pm
its all complete bullshit. just a distraction to sidetrack the masses from the real shitstorm that is slowly rotting there lives away.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Apr 23,2009 5:23pm
Yeti said[orig][quote]
at this point, the only thing in society that sticks to truly "right wing" and "left wing" is poultry.


Maybe these terms just need re-inventing.

After all, the principle is clear: collective (including non-shithead individuals) or individual (which requires you include everyone especially whiny shitheads)?



toggletoggle post by metal_church101  at Apr 23,2009 5:44pm
They refer to positions of a hockey team when they are on the ice.



toggletoggle post by BobNOMAAMRooney at Apr 23,2009 6:05pm
Joey Juneau is the all time leader in assists by a left-wing in a single season.



toggletoggle post by BILLY MAYS HERE /w SOMEDAY PROV. at Apr 23,2009 7:21pm


It means you're fucking gay.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Apr 23,2009 9:37pm
It's not gay if you punch them out after you come.



toggletoggle post by sever at Apr 23,2009 10:57pm
BILLY%20MAYS%20HERE%20/w%20SOMEDAY%20PROV. said[orig][quote]


It means you're fucking gay.





toggletoggle post by eddienli at Apr 24,2009 9:57am
If you want an picture of the future imagin a boot stamped on a human face----forever.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Apr 24,2009 2:12pm
Or a human stamping its own face through sheer stupidity.



toggletoggle post by xmikex at Apr 24,2009 2:13pm
Red Wings?



toggletoggle post by Beorht-Dana  at Apr 24,2009 2:40pm edited Apr 24,2009 2:41pm
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
it suggests that the American conservatives are off-base and trying to be liberal, and that's why they always run into logical paradoxes while demanding individual freedom yet higher defense spending, greater infrastructure, supply-side economics, etc.


I think that's a pretty accurate statement. It definitely applies to what most people refer to as the "Neo-Conservative" Republicans.



toggletoggle post by dreadkill  at Apr 24,2009 2:47pm
BobNOMAAMRooney said[orig][quote]
Joey Juneau is the all time leader in assists by a left-wing in a single season.
a few minutes before i read this, two guys at work were talking and one guy told the other he won an autographed joe juneau hockey stick the other day. weird.



toggletoggle post by Conservationist  at Apr 24,2009 5:53pm
Beorht-Dana said[orig][quote]
Conservationist said[orig][quote]
it suggests that the American conservatives are off-base and trying to be liberal, and that's why they always run into logical paradoxes while demanding individual freedom yet higher defense spending, greater infrastructure, supply-side economics, etc.


I think that's a pretty accurate statement. It definitely applies to what most people refer to as the "Neo-Conservative" Republicans.


They aren't going to win by out-"freedom"ing the left. The left offers "freedom" (if you don't define your terms, you win) plus a welfare state.

They also haven't convinced any of the more traditional conservatives, so they're stuck with pentacostals and apocalyptics.



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