oh forget it, that would be wrong. sorry grandpa!

your arrested

If anyone on here didn't buy this they can go to hell.

I got the shirt and the CD!

Only steal music from non-RTTP bands, that's the only time it's OK.

WE KNOW!

Post 3 pictures of yourself wearing the shirt with 3 different girls or it didn't happen.

PS I love this CD. Dave, you're a beautiful animal.

haha exactly... it would be pointless to post it here as i am sure half of this board had an advance copy and stuff.

There are some music reviewers who'd love an MP3 copy to look over.

its all over the web, you can find it easily.

i post up big name album leaks that i find and i'm usually first on here to know of the albums being leaked, seeing as that sometimes i wait a couple days after a leak and no one posts anything about it until i offer up a link.

I believe that downloading isnt as much of a crime as anyone makes it out to be. people getting sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars over a few songs is a crime. to be honest, and i have said it before, i would love to have my music downloaded thousands of times... it just means more people are likely to show up to a show and buy merch. you know... the real revenue generators for bands.

Long live Dino!

dude you've got the right attitude man. that's how it should be. bands should be honored that people would even want to listen to their music at all. Not sue their fans for trying to listen to their music. I think that bands should host free high-quality mp3's or even lossless audio from themselves so people don't have to resort to torrents or limewire. It's proving to work with the cable industry. just look at NBC and Hulu. You make sure that you're providing the best quality for free and that takes away any reason for people to use 'illegal' downloading. If people want the physical copy so they have an actual disc and artwork then make that available too...for a reasonable price, not $20. You make your $$ back from merch sales. I think people are more willing to actually go to shows and buy merch if they know the band and know they are realistic about the state of the music industry.

Sorry about the rant. It's just cool when bands get it and understand we're undergoing a musical revolution right now and evolve with it.

For example, and no i don't like radiohead at all, but what they did where they put their CD up for download and let people pay whatever they wanted. Pure genious. When we're talking virtual sales there's no risk like pressing actual discs. The difference between 10,000 downloads and 1,000,000 is basically nothing. So what if only half the people who download pay anything, you're no worse off. You make money and your fans are happy knowing they got their high quality music from the band itself and not off limewire.

You are ALLLLL wrong :-) Music should be distributed how the artist feels is best. It isn't anybody else's job to tell an artist what his/her art is worth or should be sold for.

Nobody here would tell an artist on the street he should be giving out copies of his prints for free. So just because it is easy doesn't mean we have any more right to free anything than we would if it were some other piece of art.

I am in no way saying that I buy all my music. Because I don't buy my music at all anymore really. The only thing I am saying is that nobody has the right to tell a musician that he should be grateful that thousands of people are downloading there music. That is for them to decide.

i am downloading it...

i agree with you too. it should be up to the artist. and artists should look at what works and doesnt work. and charging insane prices and then suing people is proving to not work.

I think if left up to bands then overtime prices would drop and quality would go up. Seeing 15 minute long cd's selling for 22 dollars is almost insulting. From lookin at the underground scene it makes way more sense than what you see out of the big name labels. There's better and longer cd's sold at lower prices and bands that more understanding about music downloading.

I'm just sayin that times are changing and the big labels need to realize it.

The small labels are already adapting.

good maybe sony and warner bros can take the hint

I think it will eventually happen. As of the point where artists started to take people to court over it the battle was already lost.

It should have been a great incentive to change the way business was done, with the artist and the listener in mind. It is kind of a hard pill to swallow knowing that you don't have the same chokehold over the industry that you once had.

I'm at school for this shit so I'm going to rant. Anyone, who thinks that a band makes money off a purchase of their album from anyway other than directly from the band has a lot to learn about the business. Unless a band is selling 10,000+ records the band see's NOTHING from royalties (I'm sure someones going to find a counterpoint to this but you get the idea) and the numbers are even higher for major labels. There's fundamentally no point of purchasing unless you want to support that label or the store. Over 51% of music acquired is downloaded illegally and record labels are just start to catch on.

Record labels are still trying to get as much out of the 60 year old business model of a hard copy unit. I'm sure most labels are going to more so put out albums by digital download within the next ten years which means I won't be supporting them whatsoever.

DOWNLOAD MUSIC AND GO TO SHOWS/BUY MERCH.

/rant

archaeon, way to quote steve albini's article the problem with the music industry.
http://www.negativland.com/albini.html

MY BLACK ASS

Thats in a book I read like a year ago. music is gay.

you black ass it is

Jesus Christ d00d.

There is nothing better than actually owning a copy of the album. Downloading files does not compare to having the album itself, reading the booklet, looking at the art, etc.

Oh, aril's right. lol duh!
Everyone gets the same high when they see a small plastic box with some colors on it and read some words inside said box. DUH!

I know, Hence why I still buy albums I love for that value. But if someone is not going to check out a band because they can't afford to purchase their album and feels that it's wrong to download it. that's a different story.

I used to buy albums all the time. I had to sell almost my whole collection a few years back because I needed money. I still don't buy as many as I'd like (used to buy 5+ a week), so I DL the ones I'd think about buying.
But in all seriousness, owning a copy of an album you like far exceeds any pleasure of having it on a hard drive.

Sometimes though, I miss the joy of buying a CD for the sole reason of not knowing what it will sound like. The internet has been both good and bad for music.

I only miss cassettes.

Analog formats of listening to music > *

Cassettes and vinyls > CDs

repost

your arrested

OMG YOU'RE

arlolliusDP

I buy albums.

After I've downloaded and heard them.

Landfill reduced massively!

This helped me avoid Opeth entirely.

Cannot agree with that. Depends how the album is mastered for each format, your setup, and personal preferences.

I run my music from my computer to a warm but detailed sounding DAC, tube headphone amp, and Sennheiser HD650s. In this case, the typical and unfounded arguments about how brittle and unnatural digital sounds do not apply.

There is one big advantage for analog formats though: infinite bitrate. But after a certain point not even the craziest of audiophiles will notice. Not even with a top of the line ridiculously analytical setup.

Anyway, carry on.

the best thing to do for labels is make them collectible. vinyl with digital download is what I've been saying for years. You can even have the digital download be pre-released.

conservationist will love my new band htepo.

How much did you pay for all that? What are you running into the DAC? Surely you're not running the headphone out into the DAC... because then you'd be running a DAC into a DAC which wouldn't work.

A lot. :P It's not even a super high end setup, but it's the best headphone setup I've ever listened to.

Surely I am not using the headphone output on my computer.

Here's the chain: MacBook, Firebox, Oritek DAC, WooAudio WA6 headphone tube amp, Sennheiser HD650s.

I use the coax output from the Firebox into the DAC.

Haha, now it makes sense. Though, as an aspiring audiophile, I really don't think it's all necessary. I mean, it probably DOES sound amazing but that's not to say you couldn't get the same sound with less hardware and for cheaper. To each his own, though!

That's what you think... Until you start spending. There's a HUGE difference between running my headphones through my Firebox and then running them through my whole rig. For one, the Firebox is far more fatiguing. Detailed but overblown and abrasive.

However, there is one thing that I DEFINITELY don't believe to make a difference. Boutique cables. Spending 300 dollars on cables is ridiculous. If the gauge of the cable is thick enough and well shielded, it doesn't matter what magic voodoo you heard it was created with.

sold a few copies at my store in Shrewsbury. Still on sale for $9.99!!

At risk of the Repost Police making an Amadou Diallo of me...

I download everything. Shit I've never even heard of - much of it based on the recommendations, reviews, comparisons, etc of my favorite blogspots (which I regard as the new magazine / zine / MTV / source or whatever... just you wait for the launch of BEATINGSINTHENONTVROOM.BLOGSPOT.COM)

Being an impoverished whelp, I've come to view music as a meritocracy and I'll buy about 3 or 4 CDs a month. Be good enough to make me want to own your shit and make your presentation / imagery / lyrics / aesthetic / packaging to the point where I'll desire it over the other shit I'm also digging.

Case in point - the new Portal album that just leaked. In case karma isn't just a faggot nigger hippie thing, I'm not going to post the link.

Wink wink nudge nudge

http://abovethecloudsbelowtheheavens.blogspot.com

the artwork, packaging, and whole concept of vinyl alone > cd. It's better to not flick through tracks with the click of a button. Of course CDs are great and all, but vinyl is just a better experience.

Well, let's see. If the bitrate of your DAC is faster than the bitrate of the file you're listening to, there's no benefit in terms of more accurate recreation of the music. I would assume, though, that you already have your music collection in some sort of lossless format, in which case you might even need a faster DAC. Your DAC (though I don't know anything about dedicated audio DACs) probably has some sort of output filter - something the Firebox wouldn't have - that would explain the difference between the two... but that's not to say that it's staying true to the recording.

Cables, though, do have some significance. A shitty cable will have high resistance per unit length ratios, high inductance, high capacitance, and poor shielding, resulting in EMI and crosstalk. These factors can significantly change the sound and tonality of signal being sent. A good cable will have low resistance, low inductance, low capacitance, low crosstalk, and good shielding. These numbers usually matter at long lengths but depending on the cable used, can matter at short lengths too. In fact, in most industrial applications, the cable is one of the most important pieces of the system. Bad cable can mean bad system.

I can easily agree with the packaging and artwork generally being superior on vinyl, but that has nothing to do with the sound.

Someday I will probably get a turntable. Just as a music fan, it would be nice to have. I need to do my research first.

Lolz kids. Listen up and do your homework or you're expelled from my music class

I don't get it.

The bitrate of my DAC is currently set to be the same as CD quality. However, there ARE benefits to DACs with higher bitrates. CDs, being digital, mean you have to connect the dots. A higher bitrate will put dots between those original dots and create a smoother sound. Just like upscaling DVDs. It's not to say that it's a significant difference to most, but it IS a difference.

Some DACs are warmer and smoother and sacrifice a little detail. Some are very detailed and analytical. Less bass. To be honest, if DACs were PERFECT, they should technically all sound the same. Same with amps. But what's wrong with your setup coloring the sound a little? The main reason I went with a tube amp was the naturally warmer sound and also because tube amps use odd order harmonics. With solid state amps creating even harmonics, they should technically be more dissonant. Is this noticeable? Subjective.

My setup uses all monoprice cables, and they do a fantastic job. They're all 1 1/2 - 3 feet and more than thick enough. Maybe you should take a look at tests done using coat hangers as cables. Boutique cables are rubbish. Pretty but rubbish.

woopz

You have it a little backwards. Even order harmonics are the ones that sound good and odds are the bad ones. Tubes create both but when saturated, create more even order harmonics. I doubt your tube amp is always in saturation or else you'd need to replace tubes pretty often.

Also, I know all about the coat hanger trials and, since they're solid and not stranded, you would actually get very little inductance and capacitance, though you would get a higher resistance depending on the thickness used. lol

You are correct about the harmonics. I haven't looked at any of this stuff in a while. :P My baaad. However, my statement about high bitrate DACs being beneficial still stands.

Moving to a higher capacity digital format would be nice, but it doesn't seem to be happening anytime soon. I've seen a few digital downloads that are above CD quality, but that's about it. SACDs are rather limited too.

backed. those days are gone. i'm spoiled by the number of digital albums i have and it's all just fodder. you can only listen to one song at a time...

off to trade in my ipod at cex because my 50 dollar mp3 player sounds better. haha.

Mail-order catalogues are pretty much dead these days. Everything is all about the internet. With paypal and shit for a black metal fan, it's great because you can order stuff from all sorts of Euro-labels.

But at the same time, I remember back when it was nearly impossible to DL anything underground blackmetal related. When Napster first came out it wasn't that good for metal. It took some time for metal to kick up on Napster; I think I remember seeing Nokturnal Mortum appear on Napster until around the time of Goat Horns or a little bit after.
When Audio Galaxy came out, metal was extremely easy to DL and was all over the place.

The best place to always DL music was IRC.

Direct Connect too. Do people still use that stuff? I used to be a moderater in a horrible metal direct connect server. Were forced to ban people for having Illnath or Cradle of Filth or Dimmu Borgir. hahaha, retarded.

haha, DC++, I remember using that for a while. Mostly for games and copies of Windows.

ITT: fucking nerds

The Underground is dead.

correctamundo.

of course it's preferable for everybody to buy music they like and listen to on a regular basis.

Downloading does, on the other hand, allow for a much wider dissemination of music than hard copy alone makes possible. For instance, I was pretty stoked to meet an Ipsissimus fan in Damascus airport's duty-free store buying a liter of Jameson's at 5am. I doubt that he has ordered a hard copy of "Trampling the Host," but it was very exciting to see that our music was being enjoyed in the syrian arab republic.

You'll get nothing and like it!!!

so if it doesn't matter and we all think it's so great to steal music, where's the revocation link?

Find it yerself niggerrrrr.

agreed

Ooh I bet no logger-inners will post it.

I still can't believe you Simple Jack full retards haven't caught on to my announcement of the Portal leak.

only Cynic's Portal is real.

Cynic's Portal is more of a sphincter.

You'd think those Aussies would have picked an original name

I think it suits them fine. No such thing as an original name. Ever. Somewhere, at some time, some assholes called themselves the same thing as you and your gang of assholes.

I know, I'm being the rttp prick.

Post it up.

Surprise!

To those who can't afford it
http://rapidshare.com/files/288014589/EIF.rar

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